NBC, 'CS Being Examined in DC Sniper Case'

**[SXE]Sgt. Pepper** · 10-11-2002, 06:54 AM

Only in america... :/

**FAN of AYUMI** · 10-11-2002, 07:08 AM

mouth sounds like a bitch

**Firefox``** · 10-11-2002, 07:10 AM

OMFG

Its not CS but American gun laws which allow maniacs like this. Im sick of the fact that everyone blames every video/computer game/idea made in the 20th century for all the crap that is around today.

How can Any reasonable person blame a fuckin computer game for the deaths of innocent ppl. How can society blame entertainment, when the very laws governing the country are bogus and allow assholes like this access to a fuckin sniper rifle.

**gr33n** · 10-11-2002, 07:16 AM

god... some old fart was on there today and talked about gaming chatrooms and the "god mode" on cs :P

**crzycnuk** · 10-11-2002, 08:02 AM

I have been shooting digital enemies since the days of Apple II, Commodore 64, Atari 1600, well, you get the idea. Before that it was cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians in the playground. Today, I have a wife and kids, my own home, a good job, I pay my bills on time, pay my taxes, and have a healthy outlook on life. The point is, I have been killing make beleive enemies now for around 25 years, and according to the experts, I should have gone on a real life shooting spree by now. This whole contriversy is ridiculus.

**Mazdek** · 10-11-2002, 08:05 AM

Heh, its pretty funny how the non-Americans on the board are saying that we need stricter gun laws, and none (or very few) of the Americans are agreeing with them. The gunman better hope he gets caught by the police; if he is spotted by civilians he isn't going to live to be arrested, I'm guessing. Everyone in the area with a concealed carry license is walking heavy these days.

Anyway, yeah, the media sucks, etc. etc. The shooter isn't a member of the DC/VA/MD area CS clan I'm a member of.

--Mazdek, staying low in Manassas, VA.

**Brutal Sponge** · 10-11-2002, 08:22 AM

well, to be honest, in a country that lets every retard and his dog own a gun, you can expect a lot of shootings...

but, using videogames to blame for shootings like this is sh*t, this sort of complete ignorance just annoys me, and more than likely every person who has been playing games such as counter-strike for a reasonably long time. The media need to find a new scapegoat, or, stop using scapegoats, and look at the real issue. Society.

**MartinQBlank** · 10-11-2002, 09:16 AM

'I am God' ... surely this is more indicative of a 'God Complex' a well documented psychological disorder.

Taking lives away ... i.e. exercising the power that only god possesses.

Sounds far more like a religeous head-case to me ... perhaps we should ban religeon instead of CS.

This guy is a nutter, the gun is only a tool he's using to kill.

Having said this, if he didn't have a gun in the first place we wouldn't be having this conversation and those people would still be alive, I suspect they would endorse gun control.

As would many of the idiots here if it was their family members lying dead.

As for CS.

Since when has CS had a god mode ?

And even if it did, doesn't this whole thread trivialise the lives (and deaths) of the people who died here ?

His reasons are his own, only a madman could ever be sparked of by CS, Jesus, Guns, Pokemon or the voices in their very own head.

Apologies if you've already pointed this out, but I got fed up of ready post after post about gun control.

**GryphonSDK** · 10-11-2002, 10:00 AM

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Taffer, I totally agree with the first half of your comments about the nature of snipers. Unfortunately, the second half...

taffer wrote..

This case also highlights the alarming laxity in US gun laws - by all means be able to own almost any weapons you want, but at least make the application procedure more rigid, and the subjects more rigorously vetted by the authorities.

I'm sure you're aware of this, but it's already illegal for felons and unstable people to own or purchase firearms. We have a system for checking up on a person before the purchase is approved.

Strangely enough, I've never heard a "gun control" advocate discuss the need for laws against drills, lathes, and milling machinery; or controlling access to even simple things like sulfur, potassium nitrate, and charcoal. THEN I would believe they are serious.

And before peeps start up the lame 2nd amendment stuff, actually read the amendment - it is for men of organised militias to bear arms.

Actually, the "collective right" interpretation only came into existence because people had forgotten the original intention and interpretation.

See especially: The Origin of the Second Amendment: A Documentary History of the Bill of Rights in Commentaries on Liberty, Free Government & an Armed Populace 1787-1792, edited by David E. Young. At 838 pages, this book is a collection of original sources from the time of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, by the framers and others.

That is the Police and the Armed Forces, not any redneck who decides he wants to buy a 0.50 sniper rifle to keep the commies at bay.

Ah, would that be the "redneck" who spends US$7000+ on a .50 caliber BMG rifle and an additional US$1.00 per round (minimum) on ammunition? I wish I was as rich as that "redneck!"

The rounds being used in the DC area are of a type that is inexpensive and popular, as are firearms using that round.

taffer wrote..

The USA needs stricter gun laws (maybe not to the point that it is here in the UK), and this case is a perfect example why.

No, we need citizens that are responsible enough to get organized and put a pair of armed citizens on every street corner and stop this killer one way or the other, RIGHT NOW! But then again, I'm not in charge :)

On the main topic: I believe that, at best, CS and other "first person shooter" games can train people in certain procedures and decision making related to combat. That's all.

**Gr4p3s** · 10-11-2002, 10:01 AM

The media has got its head looking in the wrong direction again, targeting gamers for violence this world has created. Shouldn't the media be examining the American gun laws, and the wild west attitudes that still exists in parts of their country.

**Rahan** · 10-11-2002, 10:51 AM

GryphonSDK wrote..

No, we need citizens that are responsible enough to get organized and put a pair of armed citizens on every street corner and stop this killer one way or the other, RIGHT NOW! But then again, I'm not in charge :)

Keep in mind that the police is looking for a guy walking with a gun and killing random people on the streets. How can they do this if every single citizen walks in the street with a fucking gun. idiot.

**Alienmorph** · 10-11-2002, 11:23 AM

when in doubt.. blame the video games. riiiiight.

fucking stupid man

**-:Nighthawk:-** · 10-11-2002, 12:54 PM

Gr4p3s wrote..

Shouldn't the media be examining the American gun laws, and the wild west attitudes that still exists in parts of their country.

I have to laugh at this. Had you ever lived here, you'd realize the only "wild west attitudes" in our country happen to be sitting on VHS tapes right now. I hate to break it to you, but there's no gun-slingin' quickdraws roaming dusty avenues and shouting out "draw!" Pity you apparently have never been here, so can only judge our country on the BS you've read about it from who knows where.

As far as what a sniper is... dictionary.com is never far away:

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Certainly the first definition is more commonly thought of, but the second is also a valid term. Yes, it unfortunately has a certain twisted mystique about it, but then again, that's probably part of the motivation behind all of this. The sniper's victims are helpless, which makes the sniper feel empowered.

Now, as far as gun laws go. I'm American. I, along with my family, own several firearms. I go hunting (deer season started last Sunday here in Oregon), and have for many years. Over here we require hunter safety courses for younger kids, so they learn how one SHOULD treat a firearm, instead of being irresponsible.

In my city of ~150,000 people, there have been 2 shootings in the past 10 years. One was gang related, the other was a domestic despute. There have been about 4 other murders, but these involved knives or blunt objects. What I'm getting at is, the crime rate here is already very low, despite what all these non-americans seem to think about our country. And out of the killings that there have been, only 2 of the 6 used guns. Would taking guns away from that enraged husband prevented him from stabbing his wife? Or from that stupid gang kid?

We have other assault, but despite the availabilty of guns, most people simply don't turn them against other human beings. And in addition, our gun laws DO require background checks, and you have to be of age to buy a gun (different ages for different types of weapons). And we do limit what types of guns are available, so we don't have people packing automatic assault rifles or SMG's.

Incidents like this current sniper situation are rare, but they do happen. However, the much more notable serial killers of our past history haven't used guns, but much more often knives or strangulation. Are tougher gun laws going to stop some insane man from strangling an unarmed woman? Allowing wide ownership of guns has its problems, but like I said before, in our country, it's done more good than harm.

**Icer** · 10-11-2002, 12:56 PM

(i didnt read all 100+ comments, so i apologize if i'm repeating anyone)

maybe they should look at other games such as Hitman, or maybe Sniper: Path of Vengeance! These games have just as much potential, if not more, to make a person wanna go out and try shooting someone as Counter-Strike would.

I hope they do find the sniper, it'd be interesting to find out just how old they are. I wonder how long it will take to catch the terrorist sniper?

**GryphonSDK** · 10-11-2002, 02:06 PM

Rahan wrote..

Keep in mind that the police is looking for a guy walking with a gun and killing random people on the streets. How can they do this if every single citizen walks in the street with a fucking gun. idiot.

That's why I said organized. First, you check out the volunteers to make sure they're not criminals. Second, you make sure they are skilled enough to be an asset - test their abilities at discerning real threats as well as their ability to control a rifle. Next, you put them with someone else - otherwise, a deputy would be the first target for the killer. Two people would be harder to take out. Also, these watch points should be in view of each other. Even if one pair gets taken out, they would have friendlies in sight who could respond immediately. Finally, these deputies would have only one responsibility - watch for the killer. These deputies would only have one duty - to protect themselves and others by stopping the killer, with force if necessary.

I don't believe in vigilante justice, but this has gotten out of hand, and the only certain solution requires more manpower than the police and FBI have available, even if they didn't have other equally important tasks to deal with. I believe that the police and the FBI are doing everything they can to stop this killer. I believe they are the best cops in the world engaged with a terrible task. Most of the time, we should delegate our responsibility for protecting our communities to the police; they are highly trained professionals who go to work every day knowing they might have to give everything to protect their community.

U.S. citizens need to accept that we have the ultimate responsiblility for our own society. We delegate a portion of our responsibility and authority to the police, the military, civil servants, and politicians. However, they are all human, just as we are. If we rely completely on other people to protect us, if we forget that we the people bear the responsibility to protect one another, we will end up unprotected someday. For people in the DC metro area, that happened on October 5th. Please note that the first shootings happened on October 2nd; I don't expect us to be able to react that quickly. Reacting that swiftly would require us to live in a state of paranoia. Once the scope of the problem became clear, though, the citizens of Maryland, Virginia, and the District of Columbia needed to react - with action, not fear; with an attitude of "can do" not "you do".

However, it is their responsibility to do this first; not mine. I don't live near there, and this is within their ability to handle. If something similar happened here, though, I hope that I would be clamoring for a response from the people.