article: iceworld

[Gameshot911]

w0w guys this is fucked up if you dont like the map dont play it if you do go ahead

[stooopid]

Scanner wrote..

There isn't anyone (intelligent) posting here who could rationally argue that fy_iceworld is true CS. It's not. It's powder-puff shoot-em-up fluff.

. . . And who are you to decide what true CS is?



The objectives of iceworld are not as sophisticated as de or cs maps, however, the need for careful planning and execution of strategy still exist. Stealth, listening, positioning and choice of weapons are critical to success. Perhaps iceworld would best be characterized as a "practice" map, although I think that is short-changing the iceworld genre somewhat.

[Ghengis]

hmm, very thoughtful some of these points!! Erm, as maps, bore me for the very reasons narby ointed out., As the many 'best map' iems of recent weeks have shown, dust n azzie are fighting it out stil , (GO GO AZZIE!)



However narbys point, about the ability of a one hit weapon being irritating is true not only of as maps, but any map with decent range!



AWP NEEDS BALANCE; FIX THE SHEILD; CONSITENT BUG OR NO; IT IS HAPPENING DESPITE MOVING OR NOT!!! (Sorry fro 1,6 comment)



Anyways u lot think your debating the fy maps, do u not differentiate betweent he aim maps?

In addition what abouthte new levels, to be included possibley inthe future 1,7, yes thats right stuff theydint get into 1,6 yet, and wil have to wait for cs,cz, i.e Escape missions, I beleive there ws talk of a robbery mission!! cool. If the code allwoed my clan mate, (The mapper guy!) wanted to make a split level map, which combined elements of de_ as_ and cs,

A map where it was fought in stages rather than rounds!!!! OMG that would own

no boredom between rounds, merely liek, phases of play

but then how much of that is a new mod, and how much adding to cs?



Thats the crux of this i think. At the end of theday its up tot he individual.

Peas!

[stooopid]

Edited by [user="18916"] @ [time="1045943344"]

Ahh yes... the infamous mouth, with nothing substantive to say...

mouth wrote..

[Anyone who has played it understands that it is perfectly plausible for someone to do well on it using only the keyboard. I've got your insight and patience right here, mother fucker.

Strategy on any map takes intelligence and practice. Since you are an uneducated moron, I will give you a brief discussion of why iceworld requires talents that you will never have. I doubt it would help you though, since you are probably too busy with legos your mommy bought you for christmas. Here it goes anyway . . .



See, the iceworld map genre exhibits a small play area, and initially fixed weapons selections. Rounds are typically very short. As with any other CS map, each round gives you (if you are experienced and observant) the opportunity to assess the enemy's positioning, timing, choice of weapons, rush points and individual skills.



Much like chess there are few strong opening moves. There are, however, defenses for any strategy the enemy employs. Strong rushing on the right can be countered by a single player flanking in the middle with the auto-shot. Spawn camping can be countered with middle rushing. Nade-spamming can be countered by left- or right-rushing , etc...



The simplicity of the iceworld map genre allows players to take the initiative, or to defend against a known threat. The successful iceworld strategist learns to improvise and use positioning and choice of weapons to do both simultaneously. Thats way too much for mouth to handle, though, so I'll leave it at that.



Don't even try to get me started on de_box, I've already wasted enough time on your dumb ass. Of course iceworld is more "deathmatchy" but that does not invalidate it as a strategic forum.

mouth wrote..

Because you don't know any and you're making shit up as you go.

Ooops... did I get some shit in your eye? Your an idiot who should keep your bitch mouth shut.



-stooop

[gmad123]

Dear Mediocre CS Snob,



CS suck for you? Then change what YOU'RE doing instead of waiting for everyone and everything else to change around you. Stop acting like the after-effects of Iceworld (good GOD) are the reason no one does what you want on the servers you play on. That's just your tough luck. LAN, join a clan, find a server where people care about the "purity" of the game....stop filling a 100+ comment thread with repititious blaming of a tiny, inconsequential, snow-covered deathmatch map.



Personally, I'm going to start my night with a dozen or so rounds of Iceworld (as usual). Then I'm going to switch over to CS, DE, and AS maps.......and I'm really going to enjoy my first "random noob headshot" on the first MEDIOCRE CS SNOB I spot in the obvious dark spot after he's thrown his first obvious flash around an obvious corner (10 feet past me) and still obviously has his second flash in hand.



I love Iceworld. It's a nice, quick way to get your blood flowing, your reflexes keyed up...it hasn't hurt my game at all. I've been regularly NOOBING idiots like you for three years now.

[Scanner]

stooopid wrote..

The objectives of iceworld are not as sophisticated as de or cs maps, however, the need for careful planning and execution of strategy still exist. Stealth, listening, positioning and choice of weapons are critical to success. Perhaps iceworld would best be characterized as a "practice" map, although I think that is short-changing the iceworld genre somewhat.

Don't misunderstand me... when I state my personal opinion that it's not "true CS" I'm looking at the initial vision of the game's designers.



They came up with a wide variety of strategies (de_, cs_, as_, es_), and to suppose that they just "forgot" about dm_ style maps is to make a rather ludicrous assumption. Therefore, they must have left out deathmatch style play on purpose. The reason they didn't put out any dm_ maps is because that sort of map didn't encourage the end result of coordinated teamwork, strategy, and careful execution that they had in mind.



However, it's still a CS map. Maybe not "true CS", but I think that since a large part of the community has embraced it, it's not going to go away, whether we like it or not.



If you've gotten the impression that I dislike fy_iceworld from my rantings, you're incorrect. People who know me know that it's one of the maps that I like to play most often. I feel that I can work on headshot practice better on this map than on any other (this includes the aim_ map trend of late) without having to break my concentration with worrying about anything else.



And right away, you should realize from that last sentence why it's not "true CS". I believe that the game's designers intended for us to have our heads bombarded by lots of thoughts and worries at once. These concerns should factor into your choice of weapon, your placement, your timing, your noise level, etc. Yeah, you have this to a minor extent on fy_iceworld, and a person using strategy on fy_iceworld is going to kick some serious butt. But to say they're in the same ballpark is going a bit too far.



--Scanner

[stooopid]

gmad123 wrote..

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I love Iceworld. It's a nice, quick way to get your blood flowing, your reflexes keyed up...it hasn't hurt my game at all.

exactly

[Vaishino]

After reading the posts, and weighing the options, I have come to the following conclusion:



Iceworld is fine for a warmup map, or even as something to play for when you aren't exactly up for the objectives that the developers made the game around, or don't feel like dealing with complex strategies and plans. Say what you will about it, but iceworld is strategically dwarfed by any official map, there's only so much strategy you can have out of a small square with a few square pegs sticking out of it. What generates the animosity towards Iceworld is that it's the only map that somepeople play, and when they do try other maps, they bring the deathmatch play style with them and completely ignore objectives. There are a few problems inside of the map itself, the buyzone is stupid, as it is simply a means of allowing the winning team to keep winning, and that fact that nothing is bullet proof makes it a prime target for cheaters and the often frowned upon pray-and-spray firing proceedure.



So basically, keep the deathmatch style playing on the deathmatch maps, get rid of the buyzone, make things bulletproof, and don't act like iceworld involves more strategy than any official map.

[Pharlap]

-Dice wrote..

Obviously the only opinion that matters is VALVe's.

what i meant was that if CS's theme is drifting away from the 'true cs', its up to valve to put CS back on track by removing the DM style element.

[Frito Bandito]

Insomniac wrote..

if onyl iceworld was retextured and given a theme, there would be nothing wrong with it.

Well, let's see. There has been fy_iceworld2k, that has a... year 2000 theme (or something), fy_dustworld, which is iceworld with dust textures and ladders to get on top of the blocks in the middle, etc. I don't think any of those are actual THEMES, but almost.

[Macho Maen]

gee the comments about "oh iceworld is lame" rocks.

Are people envious that some map they suck at, is popular? heh... it's just different...

[sniv]

Macho Maen wrote..

gee the comments about "oh iceworld is lame" rocks.

Are people envious that some map they suck at, is popular? heh... it's just different...

let's see, post analysing time...



-I suck at every map except one where all you have to do is shoot at the other guy

-I love iceworld because I can't get objectives done

-Everyone hates iceworld only because they can't frag well

-Muhahaha I'm the iceworld master

-iceworld is a good map

-I am envious that CS is more popular than DMC so I play CS for deathmatch just as well even if cs is team-oriented (normally)



gee it seems you got it all wrong D:

[KhAoS]

well said sniv. if u hadnt said something I would have.

[azrael38]

"What is one to do when you turn a corner with nothing but a Mac-10 and see a handful of CT's waiting to dispose of you? Your options are quite limited. You can always choose the obvious and easy choice of death. Just stand there squeezing off rounds until you're met with a nice headshot."



Something really wrong with this quote... In Iceworld, when I turn a corner with a MAC-10, it's not me being headshotted or squeezing rounds off until I die... MAC-10 is like the best weapon on Iceworld... I get 13-1 ratios and 40% headshots with it ...

Oh, and about how people bring deathmatch styles of playing into other maps (if they play em)... I personally think that Iceworld helps a lot in other maps... Cause in Iceworld, either it's rush with a SMG or snipe with an AK... In other maps, you use the same skills to take other ppl out... And going for the objective is #1 priority, since I already go for the objective in Iceworld (so now I go for defuse/plant instead of killing)... Either way, dying is last priority... I feel like I'm the only one actually going for objectives in other maps... People should play more Iceworld...

[Ghengis]

hmm sniv u dont seem to haev read any of the commetns, each to their own man, ffs, and the guy below, BEst gun on iceworld i aug for me, 80% hs time!!! The key is in not zooming ;P



ANd there is clearly an objective you intellectually challenged idiots, ONE FUN, two) KILL all of the other team, but im tiredof this argyuement now, beddy byes methinks.