Haters Shutup Already!!!!!!

[IVfluids]

Re: Haters Shutup Already!!!!!!

..we dont need u cuz theres over 20,000 people that actually like and praise Dice, that we can game with in this world.

20,000? That's it? Considering they sold over 1.3 million copies in the first few months, that isn't a whole lot.

Considering the fact that the engine this game is written on is basically an upgraded version of the previous Refractor engines, I'd say they had about 4 years to get some of the sh*t straightened out that is still happening in this particular engine. Feet sticking through walls, phantom missiles, getting into walls and probably a few others that I missed, those bugs mentioned in particular have been in existence since BF42.

And yah, I did stop playing this game and am praying to god that the mods that are coming out can some how salvage my 40+ bucks that I paid for it. And no, I won't be buying 2142 until I've read enough positive reviews by it from the community to make me feel it is worth p*ssing my money away on it.

You asking others to stfu has about as much credence as them asking you to stfu, it's their opinion and they have as much right to have one of their own as you do.

[one ill mother]

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?

Because they don't deliver quality like other game developers.

Such as?

Ok I admit I only play first person shooters, but let me take a look at the "quality" of product and level of support some major studios give:

Valve: the have been re releasing the same game (literally) over and over since 1997 (half-life was actually at full retail price for something like 3 years before they started doing the multi-title box sets).

Every now and then they need to add something "new" so... they buy the rights to community made mods and start charging a retail price for it (counter-strike and DoD are not the only ones, don’t forget team fortress was a quake world mod).

Along comes half-life 2 and what do they do?
Offer to re sell you the same game they have been selling for half a decade with new skins and textures (cs: source, DoD source, source this, source that).

Oh but lets not forget steam.

With the EA downloader you get new maps, armies and guns for $9.

With steam they are now offering "classic" counter-strike models for purchase...




id software?
As much as it pains me to say it, the once great company that was the pinnacle of grass roots community involvement, simply no longer cares about supporting the multiplayer aspects of their titles.

they put titles out with broken browsers, broken server/client protocol that prohibits people from even playing online (the no auto-download present in both doom 3 and quake 4) and for 5 months offer not so much as a peep as to whether or not they are even going to address serious issues that go way beyond normal game play bickering.


Lucas Arts?
Just ask anyone from the Battlefront/Jedi knight series how well their favorite game is supported.
It will almost always be the same case, you have a developer who *wants to fix the game, but the license holder (Lucas Arts) cares nothing about continued multiplayer support in their games so they hardly ever commission more than a patch or two for any of their titles.


Atari/Epic?
Ok they ****ing rock.
I mean ut2004 has been out for a long time now and they are still releasing map packs and so on.


Seriously, I mean I'm still in shock that I can come to a fan forum and see actual developer/publishers communicating with the players of their games like I do here.

Everything that has been addressed in these patches was a direct result of them listening to your feedback.

Good luck even getting that kind of attention from developers in most major modern titles.

And as for finding bugs/exploits, seriously, think about it.

Who is going to be more apt to find them:

A handful of programmers or twenty thousand rabid gamers?

Have any of you ever seen a game programmer play the game they made?

It's almost comical watching how "newbie" they are (I got to play the guys from id at quakecon a few times, trust me on this lol).

While these guys have great ideas and concepts, nothing is a better beta tester than some 14 year old kid who sits in front of his pc 9 hours a day...

This is why game play related bugs and game play related issues are found after a release and hence, fixed in subsequent patches.

[Pirelli]

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why is this sticky?

Can you ppl, FOR ONCE; think WHY people hate DICE/EA so much?

Because they don't deliver quality like other game developers.

there is a reason for the hating...

so please, YOU GO AND STFU

- Said the guy who spent more then 400 hours on the game.
I wonder why you didnt stop at 20 hours.. You got like 70.000 points, every award,medal, ribbon and rank there is in this game.

[[13]VisciousDog]

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If their is so many people here who dislike EA and even dice. Why did everyone go out and spend money on BF2, SF, and also if they can get it.. "EuroForce", and they go on continuing so for the future Mod (expansion)..? I do not get it.

Look forward to 2142. Their is going to be a whole new bread of people looking towards BF2 2142. So, if the people who dislike it, will not be able to stop it. Nothing you can do.

[bloodbrood]

Re: Haters Shutup Already!!!!!!

why is this sticky?

Can you ppl, FOR ONCE; think WHY people hate DICE/EA so much?

Because they don't deliver quality like other game developers.

there is a reason for the hating...

so please, YOU GO AND STFU

LMAO. you've played the damn game for 411 hours. what a hypocrite.

[unununium]

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With steam they are now offering "classic" counter-strike models for purchase...

Have you ever even used Steam before? Valve is releasing the classic CS models for free in CS Source. Please do your research.

[DOGGiE52]

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Love it or leave it...

[IVfluids]

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LMAO. you've played the damn game for 411 hours. what a hypocrite.

Hell, maybe most of them hours came in during the first month or two of the game when he didn't realize how buggy the game was. Then maybe he figured he would wait it out til the next patch with the 'I know their gonna fix this' attitude, and then played for a bit more after the patch was released. Then, maybe with every patch release he started playing a bit less because he started realizing that the same core bugs are still in the damn game and the most they really fixed were some small game play complaints from the community and the server browser (which is still sh*t because it is powered by gamespy). 411 hours since the game came out, that's only hour and a half a day, that's not a whole lot.

Playing the game doesn't make him a hypocrite. It makes him an unsatisfied customer. That is like buying a tool, using it several times, then realizing it is complete crap when it doesn't do what it is supposed to so with flying colors. You can't take it back unless it is completely broke because you've already used it a few times, so what do you do? You mite as well get some use from it because you already paid for it. I know, I have a few like that.

Or.... maybe he doesn't think the bugs outweigh the game play, but still thinks they are as annoying as ****. And because of that, maybe he realizes how others could be p*ssed off about it.

[Pirelli]

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Cant he just use more time on the games hes talking about that he insist has better quality if hes so unsatisfied? He has now been paying about 10 cent per hour play - now thats value for the money.

You want the games to be more and more complex and demanding to develop, but you dont want to pay more..

[IVfluids]

Re: Haters Shutup Already!!!!!!

Well, I've only got 89 hours in, and I bought this game the day it came out. Does that make me a hypocrite? Although, I haven't played in about 3 months, but I did play it for 89 hours.

And maybe not as many people play the games he is thinking of online anymore, would be a bit boring playing on a server that is empty or only 10% full. Same reason I can't go back to Desert Combat, there are servers, but nobody playing on them.

Not very hard to reason some of that stuff out, instead of just making assumptions about people and trying to make it sound factual.

This seems to be the general opinion around here, on both sides: 'Oh noze, hez got a different opinion than I dew, I need to tell him to STFU!!!'

[gungho]

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Until the day we will be writing software that writes software, human error will always be a thorn in everyone side.

Don't hold your breath. For the last 40 years its been going to happen in the next ten years, and I don't think we are any nearer it now than then

[[MyIS]Spetsnaz]

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Don't hold your breath. For the last 40 years its been going to happen in the next ten years, and I don't think we are any nearer it now than then

Computers were only starting to get commercially produced 40 years ago...

Writing software that writes software is not impossible and is, in fact, being done today already -- just in different forms (frameworks, APIs, etc). No one is crazy enough to truly pursue something like this because it would mean alot of people losing their job ... matrix style

[^nUbl4z0r(!)]

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Their game engine ****ing sucks. Get a better one and ill play. Got it? See I have a good reason to bitch and moan.

[iflabs]

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What really ticks me off is that they're already making a new BF game when I can barely play BF2 properly. Damn bastards.

[imported_wOoZiE]

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How many hours have you spent playing BF2?




So..basicly send home a couple of hundred employees at DICE/EA connected to the BF series(many with families) for say 1 year, so that you can have more people playing mods? Send home those on sound, those on graphics, those on leveldesign, those on 3D, most of the leaders...etc etc.. while the coders fix bugs....maybe send home half of them so the other half can work to fix the bugs? bugs that doesent stop you from having a lot of fun.

When you are content with the time you had with the mods, let them call in the employees again or alow them try to rehire new ones as they have gone to other companies when they found out that they are not getting paid for a year while mods are played. Wow - that is one kickass plan - how did you ever come up with such a brilliant idea? ..

Hell - lets have wOoZiE running EA for a couple of years and see how it goes.

And for those crying about EA wanting to make money - why the frack shouldnt they make money? They are a company that hires 7000 people or so. Someone has GOT to pay these people. YOU try to run a company with 7000 people! and tell me you dont want to make sure you have enough money to pay the sallaries. Tell me you dont want the investors to keep the stock up cause they believe the company will earn money and grow. Go to business school, and then come back and tell me EA shouldnt make new products to make money!

Well for one EA's income does not rely soley on one game. They have hundreds of games and are buying up other companies like there is no tommorrow. Even if they waited do you think ppl would stop buying the game? I know lots of ppl who buy games years after they were released. It takes time. BF2 is a great game it doesn't suck, so even if new games come out to combat it. It won't really matter because BF2 is alot better than most games I've played. A game would have to copy BF2 and make it tens times better. I know they have mouths to feed but they have lots of money. And I know this reply is pretty late!! :)