Haters Shutup Already!!!!!!

[Pirelli]

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I was actually asking that myself , my opinion of the topic aside i think this is the lamest excuse for a sticky ive seen in any forum.

With all the crying, I personally think it was about time someone explaned a littlebit how the gamingindustry works. So as a TotalBF2 staff member, I make this temporarely sticky because you need to know these things before you plan to produce your flamethreads. It was starting to be degrading on the content quality on TotalBF2 forums. The staff has to see that the posts have a quality that makes people feel that they are in a quality forum.

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Pirelli
TotalBF2 community education officer lol

[baroque]

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oh lets symphatize with dice!!1111!! *crying*

Come on, ****, i bought this on full price and i complain how much i want.

1. Releasing an incredible buggy but funny game.
2. Releasing a patch, creating loads of bugs.
3. Releasing an expansion pack to make money, and more or less "forces" people to buy it due to the unlocks.
4. Releasing another patch, ****ing up the game totally, 40 new bugs.
5. Releasing another exppack to suck more money out of us.
6. releasing an hotfix that personally killed my fps...
7. Announcing a star wars battlefield "ooh we need more money, lets just use the bf2 engine and make some new skins, haha, they are so stupid anyway to buy it"!

So even if you are tired of all complaints, you must understand people that complain, because dice and ea's suckage in this matter is UNIQUE.

And dont say "if you dont like it dont play", i love the game, but i hate how they play with us and tries to suck out all of our money, i ****ing hate it and i ventilite how much i want. Get it?

[Pirelli]

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2 of your posts is about how bad it is for a company to earn money..
+ your assuming things without even having tried the game for a second. After seeing some pictures, you assume that they just put new skins on an old game and sell it because they think your idiots..

Its ok to complain - but its a far better experience for the forum visitors if the posters understand a bit of how business works. Yes - a company DO need to earn money. I know this by experience running a company with only 10 people. Now this is a company with thousands of employees who needs sallaries and working equipment. They will use this money to pay their workers, pay for the workers hardware, offices, pay for commercials, banners etc etc..and to get a budget to make new cool games for you in the time to come. If they werent alowed to earn money, you would be playing PACMAN level of complexity games still.

They DO want to fix the bugs, but its sometimes very complex and time consuming depending on the complexity of the bug itself. They cant put the majority of the company on hold for it. They will fix it as soon as possible. Who says the 2142 coders arent looking into them aswell if its the same engine??

Releasing expacks have entertained lots of people, and noone is forcing you to buy it. Same with movies - you dont need to see every episode of DieHard or Brothers in Arms..

I know its hard for a modder to fight with the game producers for attention, but the game industry cant sit back and wait for them until the modteams are done with development or until their players had enough time with the mod, just watching the expenses pile up like some here is wishing for.

[MackTheKnifeAU]

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3. Releasing an expansion pack to make money, and more or less "forces" people to buy it due to the unlocks.
5. Releasing another exppack to suck more money out of us.
7. Announcing a star wars battlefield "ooh we need more money, lets just use the bf2 engine and make some new skins, haha, they are so stupid anyway to buy it"!

Yah, ventilate all you want, but if the people who run Tbf2 don't want it here, then take it somewhere else.

As for "forcing you too", I don't think EA came around to my house and made me buy Bf2, SF, or EuF? Unless I missed something, did they force you to buy anything?

Hell your bitching about bf2142 and we've only had ONE trailer on it.

[Miniman]

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well im gonna moan at the modding community
bf2 has been out over half a year and still no complete mods out! at least ea have made 3 new expansions in that time. and whats the point?
you cant play mods ranked

i cant wait for AF and 2142! something new at last

[wattsfox43]

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I agree.

the WORST problem with BF2 and actually.. the only REAL problem is half of the community seems to be the biggest bunch of whiny babies I have ever encountered.

(That is toned down for the forums.) (I would like to talk about the amount of sand found in the community's cl**.)

That being said... go freaking play tetris.. or buy a console.. leave the real PC gamers to play the real PC games or st*u already.

[*FMJ*Birdsht]

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Its a forum about the game. People are ****ed off at it. Water it down with yes boys and this place goes to hell. Stop supporting EA and Dice and show some nuetrallity here. Wtf is wrong with this place. Flame away this game is shinola and people need to let everyone know about it.

[Mosstrooper]

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First off all They Must <<FIX>> BF2!!!!!!! all bugs and glitches,
then making those Expansion Packs.

Please, entertain me, please name 1 completely bug free game. Also, i have had games with worse bugs. Medal of Honor: Allied Assault gave me some issues and Deadly Dozen has to be the buggiest game ever made. Play it and you will NEVER complain about BF2 and i can almost guarantee that.

I also hate when people complain aboput bf2 and EA, etc. and don't know **** about computer programming

[unununium]

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Sure there are niggling little bugs, but I have bought the game and both expansions (and am salivating over Armoured Fury) and I have lots of fun with it every single day. I think it is one of the greatest games of all time and DICE has once again created something that pushes the envelope of PC gaming. There's nowhere else where you can get an experience like BF2 where you can do so much. Flame me if you want but I love this game and I hate to see people condemning DICE about the smallest issues.

[MooneyBravo]

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I remember when BF1942 came out. Everyone was saying that EA sucks and DICE is a no-name company so there won't be any support for the game...but guess what? There was! So much feedback in fact that it maybe had a negative effect on the community.

All the patches and tweaks resulted in a very ungrateful community that would whine and threaten to boycott them over any little issue...I remember someone phoned in a bomb threat at EA's headquarters in California over the 1.2 patch for '42.

Take a glance over at the Call of Duty, and Call of Duty 2 communities and you'll see very little patch support and people asking for much more. Same with the all the Medal of Honor games.

But on places like this people are bitching that there are too many patches (hotfixes are actually a good thing if you think about it) and saying they could do a better job programming the game. Wow. Also, I read above that someone said DICE New York wrote code for BF2. As far as I know they wrote code for BF2:Modern Combat for the consoles...nothing to do with the PC version.

[one ill mother]

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Please, entertain me, please name 1 completely bug free game. Also, i have had games with worse bugs. Medal of Honor: Allied Assault gave me some issues and Deadly Dozen has to be the buggiest game ever made. Play it and you will NEVER complain about BF2 and i can almost guarantee that.

I also hate when people complain aboput bf2 and EA, etc. and don't know **** about computer programming

Hell, good luck finding any totally bug free software period.

It's just the nature of the beast, you fix A, B, C... and X, Y, Z stop working for no logical reason.

No game (or software for that matter) will ever be totally bug free so long as the method it's written in remains flawed.

Maybe one day computer software (as well as health care and world hunger issues) will be the pinnacle of perfection, but until then, let's give credit where it's due.

In the short time I've been in the bf2 scene, I've been amazed at the level of responsiveness and communication I've seen on behalf of EA/DICE.

Jesus, just the fact that I can go to the EA forums (or here) and see actual communication from EA/DICE employees on the progress of upcoming patches is amazing.

I was browsing through one of the forums the other day and saw a post from "Sean" who is associated with EA.

What makes this funny is, I can't honestly remember the last time I saw someone who was officially associated with a game company post updates/help on fan forums for almost any game I've played in the last 7 or so years.

Some of you people need to leave the bf scene for a while and venture off into other game communities, if for no other reason than to see just how good you have it here (in bf land).

[[MyIS]Spetsnaz]

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It's just the nature of the beast, you fix A, B, C... and X, Y, Z stop working for no logical reason.

Now, now. There's always a logical reason. :) It's just that when that logical reason surfaces -- I'll be smacking myself quite a few times in succession.

No game (or software for that matter) will ever be totally bug free so long as the method it's written in remains flawed.

Maybe one day computer software (as well as health care and world hunger issues) will be the pinnacle of perfection, but until then, let's give credit where it's due.

*nods*

Until the day we will be writing software that writes software, human error will always be a thorn in everyone side.

What does make or break good software is the framework, or skeleton if you will, in which it is built. Good software has a very logical structure and is written in a readable way (OOP was conceptualized for this purpose alone). Errors are very easy to pickup and squash as well.

The one thing that has had me kind of iffy about DICE's code is the red name tag bug. Just the fact that they cannot isolate it means that stress testing and/or setting up an environment to replicate the bug is too time consuming. What they seem to have done is monitor the program log while DICE employees and testers look for the red name tag bug.

On the flipside of the matter, I'm not there and do not know. Just more speculation.

With everything else you said, you took the words out of my mouth

[IntensivCareBear]

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yeah, its what ive been saying for a long time.

i sometimes feel like im the only one who appreciates how much effort was put into making BF2 the best first person shooter ever, barring 1942 and its mods.

really, patch 1.2 is the only one i have disliked so far, simply because of disappearing SRAWs and claymores, the two problems which have hurt the urban maps for me more than anything before. but im confident DICE will fix them, despite the protests of claymore whoring snipers.

luckily they dont hurt flying a mi 29 in smokescreen heh.

its the little things, like how when you lock on with russian equipment its spelled in cyrillic, how when you nail a typhoon with a mig 29 you can hear the air whistling as the parts fly by you at 700 mph. burning oilfields in smokescreen and destructible bridges (and entire ships and buildings in mods like bpirates).

one little thing i wished had stayed since desert combat was how tank turrets flew up 40 feet when they were blown up by an A 10s 30 mm cannon, and how the A10 more often than not ran into the turret and crashed.

and taking down frogfoots that came a little too straight at you with the tanks main gun, i havent been able to replicate that in BF2 yet.

[JonnyMacFred102]

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It's just the nature of the beast, you fix A, B, C... and X, Y, Z stop working for no logical reason.

Best philosophy evar!

The more accurate is: It's the nature of Newton's third law, you fix A, B, C... and X, Y, Z stop working because every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

[ghaib]

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why is this sticky?

Can you ppl, FOR ONCE; think WHY people hate DICE/EA so much?

Because they don't deliver quality like other game developers.

there is a reason for the hating...

so please, YOU GO AND STFU