To PKM whiners

[keenie]

Re: To PKM whiners

LoL, all i got to say about the PKM is that is it part of the game, just deal with it.

-xxgammaxx

Seriously, using that retarded logic I could go out and say:
LoL, all i got to say about the Wall Glitching/Hacking is that is it part of the game, just deal with it.
"it's part of the game" would have to be the single biggest cop-out. ever.

PKM users are starting to get *realy* arrogant, the number times I've rolled up in a tank, only to have some PKM looser jump out infront of me, go prone and start peppering me with fire (just before I drop a shell on their head I'll usually type something like "Tank > PKM. I win")

I think all the PKM needs is some minor tweakage, but untill then, PKM nubs = more meat for my trusty MG36 (one of the most underrated weapons in the game)

[WolfAlmighty]

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Haha, I love the way people were telling me what I did or did not do. I was the one doing it rememer?

What I'm telling you is that you remember the exceptions and not the rule. Sure, you may have 'counter-sniped' a sniper with the PKM, but I guarantee you that unless you were facing the world's shoddiest snipers, it was not something you did with any regularity. Period. I mean, unless your idea of 'counter-sniping' is coming around a corner 10ft away from a dude with an M24 and laying into him with your PKM. The deviation on the PKM simply did not allow for the kind of accuracy necessary for it to be a viable weapon in a long-range fight with snipers pre-patch. .512 was optimal deviation on the PKM pre-patch. .08 is what it is now. With a deviation of .08 you could pick a flea off a camel's ass. With .512 you couldn't even hit the camel itself.

The PKM wasn't all that bad so long as you fired in bursts of 2 or 3. Or sometimes a burst until the barrel heated up if you were trying for an area target like a Humvee.

Except that back in the day single-shotting and bursting with the LMGs was all but pointless because maximum deviation was reached after only a few shots and wasn't really all that much worse than the minimum deviation. Any small accuracy bonus you may have gotten by waiting between shots was negated by the fact that you were gimping your rate of fire in exchange for it. It wasn't a reasonable tradeoff. The weapon was meant to be fired on full auto and the numbers reflected that.

And I never said "out snipe" I said "counter snipe". There is a difference. One requires you to be at the maximum range of the weapon and visials, the other requires you to kill him before he kills you, wherever you are.

'Kill him before he kills you'? Again, you weren't doing that against snipers with a pre-patch PKM on a regular basis unless you were facing horrible snipers (or you did some stuff like prone-jumping and the like). The PKM simply was not accurate enough for that to happen unless you were right next to the guy.

I spent many happy kills at the Mosque flag in Mashtuur shooting the snipers on the building opposite, by backyard. Or on the buildings by power station shooting same sniping spot. Or on the buildings between power station and hotel shooting that one.

It could be done, and it was fun doing it. It was good for humiliation kills.

Did I always win? No. Neither do I win when I play sniper and try counter sniping.

However it was do-able. You just required patience and a good location. You could generally rely on the sniper being eager enough to try kill you to expose himself before you did.

KBK

I would love to see just how long it took you to kill someone at that range with a PKM pre-patch. When you say patience, you aren't kidding. It would require a LOT of bullets to be able to hit a target that far away with a pre-patch PKM. Yes, given enough time (and stupid enough snipers) it could be done, but it could also have been done with the PP-19 for that matter. But methinks you're exaggerating a tad if you mean you were consistantly killing snipers sitting on that roof from the Mosque flag on Mashtuur.

~Wolfgang

[Alcorr]

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I want a reduction of PKM accuracy to 0.3 and buff of assualt rifle accuracy to current PKM level. Not realistic, but good for gameplay.

Sounds good.

[White*Feather*67]

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Watch the PKM video. He must have killed 40 or 50 players with that PKM.

PKM is overpowered. You shouldn't be able to use a PKM for sniping.

The game has become boring since every player in close combat has a PKM.

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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I play it when:

1) I need a powerful accurate gun
2) When i'm not in a jet.
3) When i'm on karkand on the USMC.

I love that gun... even before the patch. They made it too accurate.. oh well... lol.

[Jones[31stMEU]]

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The next patch will put PKM and J10 prostitutes in their place....hopefully

[White*Feather*67]

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g36c is accurate as hell now. Only really discovered how accurate they made it afew days ago.

[USARANGER]

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to all the whiners: JUST DEAL!!! so what if EA buffed a gun way up. you know what i do? i ADJUST my playing style to better use and counter the gun. i believe that EA should make a game that is fun to play and reasinably balanced for us gamers to enjoy. i DO NOT thinkthat EA should change around the game all the time to suite our complaints. we should PLAY the game so it is challenging and fun to play, NOT make EA make a game exactlly the way I or YOU want it. so what if the PKM is somewhat unbalanced-- DEAL WITH IT!! so can all you whiners plz just SUCK IT UP!! im sick and tired of people complaining all the time

oh ya, i play support all the time, but i wasn't made a support player by the patch. i have been playing support as my favorite class since the day i got this game. i bet i could own a noob-support with a pkm anyday, with my SAW, or MG36, type 98, what ever other gun you want

[BlackOpsSgt]

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You make some good points but i still say if you have a gun that overheats if you use it too much in a row it should not have near the accuracy of a sniper rifle (which it almost does)

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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FUCK the PKM... The J-10 needs to be fixed...

[-NV-Java]

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But yes, PKM fix just needs to be accuracy in between 1.2 and 1.12 states.

It was easy enough to own in 1.12 with PKM, now its ridiculous...

....Exactly, I really don't understand why this arguement is still going. The support guns needed a tweak pre 1.2. EA/Dice tweaked them a little too much. They just need to be nerfed a little for balance, end of story.

[Jones[31stMEU]]

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FUCK the PKM... The J-10 needs to be fixed...

I'm with ya brother 100%

[WarGimp]

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FUCK the PKM...

You have very strange sexual tastes... and must be rather poorly endowed in order to preform that act. I mean, sure, the PKM has a fairly large barrel, but compaired to average sized reproductive equipement... well, it's be a damned tight fit.

[Kayback]

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What I'm telling you is that you remember the exceptions and not the rule.....

I would love to see just how long it took you to kill someone at that range with a PKM pre-patch. When you say patience, you aren't kidding. It would require a LOT of bullets to be able to hit a target that far away with a pre-patch PKM. Yes, given enough time (and stupid enough snipers) it could be done, but it could also have been done with the PP-19 for that matter. But methinks you're exaggerating a tad if you mean you were consistantly killing snipers sitting on that roof from the Mosque flag on Mashtuur.

~Wolfgang

Well it used to take about 3 or 4 bursts. I never said I was playing against world class snipers, and I never said I won ever fight. Infact I specifically said I didn't win them all.

All I said was it COULD be done, if you tried.

You CAN so it with the PP-19. The PP-19 is also a fantastic weapon if you can use it. And by can use it I suppose I am throwing in a bucket load of luck. Aim for their feet and let rip.


Just becaue you couldn't do it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Was I extreamly lucky? Probably. Funny thing is, the more I practice the luckier I get.

While you couldn't do the sort of work the guy in the video did, you could play a decent game if you chose your fights carefully. THe main way to kill a sniper pre 1.2 with the PKM was to suprise him with your first burst. Then cap him if he was stupid enough to come looking for you.

Did it work against good snipers? Probably not. But I'm picking the same snipers off from the same places, on the same maps with the new L96A1, so things don't change. Idiots stay idiots.

It wasn't as near easy to use as it is now, but no one said it was. I just said it wasn't as useless as people made it out to be.

KBK

[SlakTSP]

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I play it when:

1) I need a powerful accurate gun
2) When i'm not in a jet.
3) When i'm on karkand on the USMC.

I love that gun... even before the patch. They made it too accurate.. oh well... lol.

HE WAS FREAKING 50 METERS AWAY

He only kills 2 people from 100m range that were in cover. The two snipers were extremely exposed and stupid for not shooting the support guy.

You make some good points but i still say if you have a gun that overheats if you use it too much in a row it should not have near the accuracy of a sniper rifle (which it almost does)

Prepatch I killed snipers with the assault kit. Hell i sometimes GL'd them from range for the fun of it. As accurate as a sniper rifle from range? Not quite.




And to clarify my arguement Im saying "shut up" becuase instead of "fixxing" the issue, you're just going to get it nerfed overboard as in the BH and Assault. Does it have long range? Ya, is it ungodly accurate? No. Any gun can put down bullets single fire from range (hell you can do what the PKM does with ANY MG) theres really nothing special.