J-10's.... BULLSH*T!

[Wraith_3]

Re: J-10's.... BULLSH*T!

It is kind of funny because, minus the M1A2, all the U.S. vehicles in the game are far inferior to the Chinese and MEC versions. Wow that really mirrors real life! If they nerf the British stuff in the the addons, we'll know something's up with DICE.

[Ghilleman]

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Well, if you wanna compare their stats, here they are:
Manufacturer Chengdu (China)
Name J-10

Wing Span 28.81 ft. /8.78 M

Length 47.80 ft/14.57 M

Height 15.68 ft. /4.78 M

Wing Area 356.29Sq ft. /33.10 Sq. M

Aspect Ratio 0

Weight Empty 0lb. / 0.00 Kg

Weight Takeoff 0lb./0 Kg

Powerplant(s) 1 x Lyulka Saturn AL-31F turbofan

Max Thrust 27557lb. /0Kg

Military Thrust 17857lb. /0Kg

Internal Fuel 0lb./0Kg

Fuel Fraction 0

Max. Thrust Loading 0

Wing Loading 0lb. /0Kg

VMax High Mach / VMax Low Mach 2.0 / 1.2

Operational Ceiling 59055ft. /18000M

Rate of Climb 0ft. /0M

Armament 1 x 23mm cannon, 4,500 Kg external stores
Users China

[old sch00l]

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arrr the eyes, they were bleeding

[Paas]

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Ghilleman. Could you maybe slice that up a bit?

{WP}Paas

[Ghilleman]

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and now the JSFB:
Manufactuer LockheedMartin (USA)
Name JSF F-35B

Wing Span 35.01 ft. /10.67 M

Length 50.49 ft. /15.39 M

Height 15.09 ft. /4.60 M

Wing Area 460.05 ft./42.74 Sq M

Aspect Ratio 2.4

Weight Empty 30,697lb. / 13,924.00 Kg

Weight Takeoff 0lb./0 Kg

Powerplant(s) 1x Pratt & Whitney F135 augmented turbofan

Max Thrust 40000lb. /18144Kg

Military Thrust 0lb. /0Kg

Internal Fuel 13326lb./6045Kg

Fuel Fraction 0

Max. Thrust Loading 0

Wing Loading 0lb. /0Kg 0lb. /0Kg

VMax High Mach / VMax Low Mach 1.8 / 1.0+

Operational Ceiling 60000ft. /18288M

Rate of Climb 0ft. /0M

Armament 2 x AIM-120 AMRAAM, 2 2000 lb. JDAM
Users USA, UK

[Ghilleman]

Re: J-10's.... BULLSH*T!

There are the stats. I'm pretty sure that the game uses the JSFB, but if anyone knows if its the A or C variants, tell me, and ill go get more eye-rupturing stats.

[eDmunDo]

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The J-10 should be downgraded to make dogfighting more fun.

[Drexor69]

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Good, you're a smart man. Just saying when anything is over powered people always call for nerfs, and thats what DICE has done every single time. The way I see it, the J-10 is the only aircraft in the game that currently functions correctly, and the other fighters just need to be brought up to par.

I disagree, the J-10 can crawl by you and turn on a dime. You shouldn't be able to lock on a helo, wait for flares to dissapate, lock on again and fire off missiles in one pass. It should't be able to go that slow without stalling.

There needs to be some balance, the other planes should be made more manueverable while changing the physics on the J-10 to require it to fly faster in order to keep from stalling.

[DogFish]

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Anyone who flies F-35B's, knows how unfair this is... You can do everything you want.. The J-10 out-manuevers, and beats the JSF in speed, It's crazy..

Even if you DO happen to get behind a J-10, the missles do NOT hit... even if they travel in a straight line and don't use flares (Just happened).

So.. just to see.... I went on the chinese for a round... I had like 20 JET kills... let alone the boat/AA/ground kills... all of those, with 0 deaths..and when I got behind a JSF, I seriously felt bad for them. I could turn 3/4 of my ability and STILL out-turn them... All I had to do was just lock on and shoot 2-3 missles and it worked.

Try doing that with a JSF vs. J-10.. see how succesful you are. In 1.20, F-35B's at least had a chance of hitting the J-10's, but if they got behind you... you might as well just jump out. But NOW... its that same way.. good missles, but ONLY for the J-10 (i'm not saying that because I got killed too much... I just had a 71-0 game with the JSF). It is almost impossible to kill a J-10 now with the JSF.. seriously.. try it :).

Now I am not saying.. like 1.2 or 1.21 sucks (well it does, but thats not what im trying to say), I can live with it, but I CAN'T live with these J-10's anymore. I still don't understand why they left 1.12 (all the people complaining about bunnyhopping/dolphin diving... etc... thanks.)

Yeah, I'm not a bad pilot or anything, and I know a bunch of advanced manuevers that can get away from other jets... but now nothing is working... I can swear the J-10's got more manueverable or something..


Damn.. I'm probably the only one that feels this way about them. Every J-10 pilot thinks they're all-that, but it's not them. It's what they're in. There isn't any more dog fighting :cry:, now its either, Get in a J-10, and blow up an F-35B..... or get in an F-35B, go up REALLY high, and stalk the J-10, and figure out a way to kill him instantly before he starts out-turning you.

Oh well...I just hope some other people realise the advantage... and I feel pretty stupid right now because i'm bitching about it (*has never bitched about anything BF2 related before*), but I seem to be the only one that can't stand J-10's...

Do you think J-10's >(by alot)> JSF?

DONT TK FOR JETS DUDE!!!!!!

[p4tri0t]

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the best thig for dice is to NOT do anything... i mean they try to fix stuff but it only makes it worse. there probably not doing it on purpose but its still happening sleappppppppyy :/

[old sch00l]

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stop maoning they are busy with 2040+, j/k bettter not be lol

you are lucky that this is a Dice game

you won't see the required EA installer again, thats for sure

[AlphaCueUp]

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i will bless you with some deep and profound wisdom, ie. my opinion


JETS SUCK :p

[old sch00l]

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I agree, ground pounders ftw

[zuiquan1]

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I agree, ground pounders ftw

than go play counter-strike.....

[old sch00l]

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its "then" :p