R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

[Alcorr]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

Hmmm, looking at your avatar, that sounds like a bit of whining to me....

I think its great. I've been waiting for this moment for a long while. Sure, I've been a gunner in a Havok and racked up lots of kills. Same for Blackhawk. But now that the chopper whoring days are over, it adds a whole new element to the game, and I like it.

If you are going to reply...please try to post some support for your side of the argument or for your point.

You can't possibly have an IQ over 10 AND say that insta kill zero skill AA is balanced...because its not....

Whining is complaining about something that is balanced (when discussing game balance).

I am stating pure facts about blatant overpoweredness of the AA and how its incredibly UNbalanced....

Its funny how so many people that never use choppers are like:

YAY! its SOOO great now that I got my way and all the things that used to kill me like noob tubes and jets and choppers are USELESS so this game has been perfected to fit my induvidual immature zero skill needs for easy skills....

Don't even say the word teamwork...its MOSTLY unexistant on public servers, which is pretty much all that this game is...public ranked servers....

Game balance should not rely on teamwork...it should give the team that USES teamwork an advantage...but the game should be balanced ASSUMING THAT NO ONE USES TEAMWORK....

[rombaft]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

In Mashtuur City the BH is still a force to be dealth with. You can't use the AA on top of the buildings unless you have a lock...

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did you try it yet, today on mashtuur, I was gunner in the BH , now no kidding but there are two mec guys there, I start shooting at them with the minigun, around them there where all the bullets impacts and stuff, was aiming perfectly , and they just didn't die , after like shooting till the minigun was overheated, one of them got killed, the miniguns are now BB guns .

[PBAsydney]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

Hmm...anyone else think we should have the communitys mod get together on the balance instead of EA/DICE?... :p

[maranello]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

did you try it yet, today on mashtuur, I was gunner in the BH , now no kidding but there are two mec guys there, I start shooting at them with the minigun, around them there where all the bullets impacts and stuff, was aiming perfectly , and they just didn't die , after like shooting till the minigun was overheated, one of them got killed, the miniguns are now BB guns .

thats what i am talking about. same thing happened to me. I was aiming perfectly and I couldnt kill the guy.

[DrunkenPirate]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

[GU]LIZARD, you are required to at least TRY and maintain self control when posting in the forums, no more posts like that again please.

[dBs]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

And goodluck trying to get a whole "team" to actually know what they are supposed to do in a blackhawk. Yes, it is still possible but its probably easier to win the lottery than to find a team who knows what they are doing. Most people just jump in, try to shoot one person, the jump out and leave the pilot and maybe one gunner.

......wait so instead of the BH having to have the discouraging trouble of forming a coordinated squad the infantry on the ground should? I think that argument is hypocritical.

[sidtherat]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

Game balance should not rely on teamwork...it should give the team that USES teamwork an advantage...but the game should be balanced ASSUMING THAT NO ONE USES TEAMWORK....

blah blah blah! muahahahaha!
pre patch when somebody complained about bh whoring, your pathethic reply always was: "you do not teamwork good enough, so get lost, noob"

now i can tell you [you - all bh crybabies] you dont deamwork good enough, noobs!
same goes for planes/choopers

live with it! miniguns with spash damage? wtf! minugun is a 5.56 round, it spits lots of them, but there is NO explosive inside, and guess what? you have to HIT, to score a kill.. no more f.. slash damage-over-the-wall, you 'skilled bh gunner'

you got used to easy life, easy points and you knew, that no 'real' player will go and compete with you on your terms [noobtoobing, bhoping, bh whoring] so you were winning, and lauhing at us.

tide has turned - show us your real skill, take a gun, man a tank, bah! even man an AA and show how easy is to shot a bh! [it isnt, locking range is decreased, and as far as i know, AA emplacements are in the same well known spots as pre-patch]

i played today for the first time since 2005. and guess what? i had to check if the patch aplied correctly, because i couldnt tell the difference! for normal players, there are almost none [AA/pkm aside]

and guess what no2. - good plane pilots are still getting insane kd ratio, it is the lamest and sh.. sods, that complain, because their point-machines-with-god-mode-on broke!

get a life, kids :) your cries are what makes me happy!

[Alcorr]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

Booo f'n hoooo. Now who's whining?

Just fly the chopper out of range. Get out of site. Fly it up to 300 ft on Wake, then parachute down. Awwww, what's the matter, you're old tactics not working? Time to find a new way to play, that's all.

Based on what you just suggested, why not remove choppers out of the game altogether...thats what you are saying.

By the way: you still haven't replied to my post...guess you can't admit AA really IS overpowered.....

blah blah blah! muahahahaha!
pre patch when somebody complained about bh whoring, your pathethic reply always was: "you do not teamwork good enough, so get lost, noob"

now i can tell you [you - all bh crybabies] you dont deamwork good enough, noobs!
same goes for planes/choopers

live with it! miniguns with spash damage? wtf! minugun is a 5.56 round, it spits lots of them, but there is NO explosive inside, and guess what? you have to HIT, to score a kill.. no more f.. slash damage-over-the-wall, you 'skilled bh gunner'

you got used to easy life, easy points and you knew, that no 'real' player will go and compete with you on your terms [noobtoobing, bhoping, bh whoring] so you were winning, and lauhing at us.

tide has turned - show us your real skill, take a gun, man a tank, bah! even man an AA and show how easy is to shot a bh! [it isnt, locking range is decreased, and as far as i know, AA emplacements are in the same well known spots as pre-patch]

i played today for the first time since 2005. and guess what? i had to check if the patch aplied correctly, because i couldnt tell the difference! for normal players, there are almost none [AA/pkm aside]

and guess what no2. - good plane pilots are still getting insane kd ratio, it is the lamest and sh.. sods, that complain, because their point-machines-with-god-mode-on broke!

get a life, kids your cries are what makes me happy!

First of all, I never was a BH whore...I am saying choppers are useless as a whole now. And as Rombaft said, the miniguns are useless even when you are aiming dead on....

Once again, your reply basically says forget choppers....use a tank/aa or ground or whatever. You might as well say: remove teh chopper I hate it...

Jeez people this game is supposed to be a BATTLEFIELD, not counterstrike with tanks....

[Lugal317]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

2 ATs take it out, 1 tank shot takes it out, the miniguns fling hooker dust at enemies and with AA improvement.... the BH is less useful than the cow. At least you can drop C4 out the back of the cow (you have to do it from the side in the BH). I agree, the BH is rather useless without 2 engis. The sound of those chopper blades is something you don't even have to worry about on Mashtuur now.

[Lugal317]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

Based on what you just suggested, why not remove choppers out of the game altogether...thats what you are saying.

By the way: you still haven't replied to my post...guess you can't admit AA really IS overpowered.....

I'm on your side here bud. The BH is absolutely useless now. You thought it was a deathtrap before on WAKE... HAHAHA with improved AA and two J-10's coming after you.... and the fact that it only takes 8 rockets from an attack chopper to take it down....

By the way, we did a test with a FAV.50 vs the BH on Dalian Plant. ONE FAV took the BH down before it could reach the shore. NOW COME ON!!!

[sidtherat]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

Once again, your reply basically says forget choppers....use a tank/aa or ground or whatever. You might as well say: remove teh chopper I hate it...

my reply says - it is hard to master a tank with AT infantry all over the place, it is even harder to master infantry with tanks/apc all over the place

it took no skill to master [earn hordes of points] a plane, or chooper

now, a choper is en par with tank - if you are good - you'll fare good, if you are poor, you are going to complain here. chopers are a bit underpowered now [i personaly dont understand the point of reducing their HP], but they are dangerous when used properly, and realy, AA locking rage is much shorter than it was, if somebody got a lock on you, then it is your fault [you dont teamplay good enough ]

practice - we had to practice seeking cover from you, seeing how few anti tank round bounced from your almighty chopers.. now it is even :) - you kill us easily, but we can fight back

[Lazy8s]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

Right because instead of adapting and overcoming using skill...omfg I know I know I used the word skill...you would rather have them nerf everything in the game so your lone wolf ass can not get killed....

WTF are you talking about? I know it's hard to fathom as a chopper whore, but hitting a BH 3 times with an AT missle while they are circling with a chain gun and snipers and tanks are firing takes a LOT of skill. The problem was the BH would still be flying and not even smoking. Was it an overnerf? Maybe, but better now than it was. did I like getting 200pts in 2 rounds? Yeah, but I did the same last night as assault with the G3 (well 93pts) and got a gold medal. Which takes skill?

[Lugal317]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

WTF are you talking about? I know it's hard to fathom as a chopper whore, but hitting a BH 3 times with an AT missle while they are circling with a chain gun and snipers and tanks are firing takes a LOT of skill. The problem was the BH would still be flying and not even smoking. Was it an overnerf? Maybe, but better now than it was. did I like getting 200pts in 2 rounds? Yeah, but I did the same last night as assault with the G3 (well 93pts) and got a gold medal. Which takes skill?

Listen guys. It took 6 people on Mashtuur to keep the BH in the air. If you got 6 people together to take it down, they could. Now it takes 6 people to keep the BH in the air, but only one guy in a hummer to take it down.

So don't talk about how nerfing the BH is promoting teamwork... All it does is allow a single person to take down a whole teamwork oriented squad

[Alcorr]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

it took no skill to master [earn hordes of points] a plane, or chooper

I heard so many ppl say that in 1.12 but nobody can back up that claim...they all get in choppers and they can't take out tanks, can't line up tv missile, can't use tv missile, hit buildings...etc....that is simply untrue.

now, a choper is en par with tank - if you are good - you'll fare good, if you are poor, you are going to complain here. chopers are a bit underpowered now [i personaly dont understand the point of reducing their HP], but they are dangerous when used properly, and realy, AA locking rage is much shorter than it was, if somebody got a lock on you, then it is your fault [you dont teamplay good enough ]

Chopper is not on par with a tank. I don't see insta locking anti tank missiles that kill in two hits that fire two missiles instantly being in this game...no no I don't recall that...

And FYI I have alot of skill, and there have always been three ways to live with choppers in this game.

1. Fly towards the AA as its being locked on you (eject flares), and try to kill it. This isn't going to work anymore in a chopper obviously.

2. Fly away from AA, eject flares, get low and use terrain to get rid of thier LOS. This doesn't work anymore either, due to the o so PERFECTLY BALANCED never missing AA missiles....

3. Don't use a chopper/ fly away....works.

Ok so basically your solution is STILL to get rid of choppers...lol

Don't get me wrong... I can still kill people in a chopper, but with AA as it is now....choppers are way UNDERpowered/overnerfed...

Listen guys. It took 6 people on Mashtuur to keep the BH in the air. If you got 6 people together to take it down, they could. Now it takes 6 people to keep the BH in the air, but only one guy in a hummer to take it down.

So don't talk about how nerfing the BH is promoting teamwork... All it does is allow a single person to take down a whole teamwork oriented squad

Yep, exactly why BH is overnerfed like all other choppers...

[Nubcaek]

Re: R.I.P. Blackhawk - 2/14/2006

The blackhawks waaaay to weak now, its like its made of paper. Either they need to put its gun how it was and leave the hp as is or they can buff the hp and slightly buff its gun, this is coming from someone who thought it was too powerful but the patch testers seriously don't know what they're doing allowing such bad fixes to be implemented.