Hate BF2 1.2

[Alcorr]

Re: Hate BF2 1.2

From what I read, it just goes with my original observations and predictions of knowing that the patch was going to be a MEH patch. Why? Because we have the extremists on one sides screaming YAH! this and that because AA is better, gun accuracy, BH, DD, etc. Then the other side of the coin of people that think the patch ruined the game.

I am in the middle. I am disappointed with some of the features, and happy with others. Though I thought the air power was too powerful, I did not believe it deserved to take such a beating. Support guns are too accurate now, same with snipers. If you couldn't hit anything with either class before, you shouldn't be a support/sniper. I am happy about the GL being useless while jumping, however I do not like not being about to shoot anything at all while jumping. It was useful when jumping over a wall or something and blasting away at the badguys.

Here is the thing boys and girls. No matter how much you complain or dislike what the patch did...there is nothing you can do about it. It make suck horribly or be the holy grail to you...regardless...even if things were changed (again), it will be months from now before another major patch such as this will be released. Rest assured, a new patch will most likely be released with the release of Armored fury...but, whether or not that patch does anything more than make the game compatable with the booster pack will remain a mystery.

I'm sorry to all those that are unhappy with the patch...you can thank those that whine and complain, and never took the time as I have or others to over come the challenges the game presented. So a guy tubes you...learn to shoot faster. So a aircraft kills you. Get a man from your team in every AA on the map, and they will go down (now only one AA with the nerfing of aircraft and super AA) My point is...the whole point of the game, the vehicles, the weapons; each had their own advantage. There was only one or two aircraft per side for a reason...because they were powerful. The GL was powerful because it gave the assualt class an edge that it lacked compared to other classes. We just are going to have to live with it...I just hope that they stop dramatically changing the game...because i was having fun with it as it was....now i have to relearn the game...again...and hopefully I will be able to have some fun even with this dramatically different game than before.

O EXACTLY how I feel...

And what skill do you propose it should need? How complex does a stationary heat-locking turret need to be?

How much skill does a TOW take?

A tow...you have to aim and guide...I wouldn't mind if AA was that way, thats how it is in DC....at least it takes SKILL to shoot stuff down that way...

So I'm supposed to hit a jet or fast-moving attack copter how? Optical tracking is NOT good enough, try hitting a chopper UP CLOSE with an AT missile for proof of that.

Yes, yes you are. Its called using your brain. Think...ok hes going X fast, at Y angle, so I adjust my mouse to Z point....its not that hard....for choppers.

Jets....the mobile AA needs the Essex kinda abilities...the essex can shoot down jets without missiles...once again...use your brain.

Choppers...were fine before....they should go back to 1.12....

And fyi I easily hit choppers with AT missiles...use your eyes, hands, and brain (if you have one ) to hit it...

[-(PK)-DarkIllusion]

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bf2 feels like a new game now, yet looks the same...

[Metasynaptic]

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If you are in a squad, and if you have 2 squads under your control Nothing will pi$$ you off...Trust me.

If you are a good jet pilot that knows aircraft physics, how to manoeuvre, your capabilities, you can have the best damn AA guy in the ground, he won't be able to shoot you down.

What do i mean? I mean play some Falcon 4.0 AF, play some flight simulator, and then some little LOMAC, and come back and you will see AA (the ones in the game) is a joke against any aircraft.

The key is to know when to attack and not to attack, know how to make a dive, and so on.

Yes the aircraft in those games are not the same. I agree, but all the games that have aircraft in them have to obey general fundemental physics laws.

Oh of course if you are just some guy who bought BF2 6 months ago and have no experience with planes, doesn't know anything at all about plane physics, who just bought a joystick so he can "pwn them noobs with 1337 skillz" then say good bye to your good old days...

Hahaha, I'm sorry, I had to laugh at this... Falcon 4 AF utterly smokes BF2 for fighter combat. BF2 fighter combat is literally an arcade game by comparrison.

I have played F4 AF on top difficulty with realistic flight control avionics, and you have gobs of time to spin up the mav gyro, unlatch the dust cover on the seeker head, float your maverick seeker head over your target on the MFD (multifunction display), release, and line up 3 or 4 more tanks before making a slow bank to home plate. Mavs have a great range, 15 miles or something... your view distance from the F15 fighterbomber in BF2 is around 500 METRES.

All this from 5000ft. The altitudes you fly at in BF2 are laughable, and the view distance is a joke. In RL, I have better than 20-20 vision, and I could see further than the view distance in BF2.

And on to out maneuvering SAMs... first of all, you don't even GET A WARNING when an infrared seeker head is seeking you. It emits nothing to detect by your radar warning receiver, so you shouldn't know when you release flares. The only time you should get a warning, is when another aircraft has the lock tone on you. If you break the lock, no more tone, even if a missile is bearing down on your pipes.

Second, there's no concept of corner velocity in BF2, just stall, dead slow, fast, or VERY SCREAMING fast. all other speeds are mostly irrelevant. You turn your bird tight the faster you go, unlike in a aREAL jet, you turn your jet fastest at corner velocity.

[lSIlSERIALBUTCHER]

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The best experience for shooting down aircraft is sporting clays, it is like skeet but you have multiple launchers that very angle, & height

Like duck hunting

IMHO

As well as being a "real life" US Army expert rifleman

btw my army MOS was 16T ADA (Aircraft Defense Artillary)

I was already downing more choppers in GhostTown than were killing me in the tank before the patch

4 Apache Longbows, & 4 BH in GhostTown IAR once

& I shot down 3 Cobras in Sharqi IAR once

I have been called "chopper raper" by a enemy aviator that "recognized" the "skillz"

I make chopper "whores" that fly low, & slow (because no 1 has given them any reason to do otherwise DISCONNECT)

Damn I LOVE this game even more

Not every 1 is "****ed"

MU HU HU HA HA HAHA HAHA HAHAHA HAHAHA HAAAAAA

peace

Captain |SI| SERIALBUTCHER ranked #76 in armour

[Adonlude]

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Re: Omfg. (aa)Well I played for a few hours last night and I wish I could have 1.12 back!!!

They destroyed the noob toob, not with the timer, but by reducing its splash damage and adding a weird delay after you shoot the thing. Every time you shoot it it feels like you have super high ping becuase the thing launches a split second after you press fire, totally messed up, and the smoke graphic ocassionally looks like a giant X. I am glad you cant use it super close range now but why did they have to mess up its medium and long range capabilities? There are now VERY FEW situations where the grenade launcher is useful.

The PKM is now the best gun in the game. If you used to play assault then now you will play support becuase of the PKM, the resupply points, and the unlimmitted grenades which are better than the GL.

The prone delay is very annoying and keeps getting me killed. No more going prone for a quick shot then getting back up to run away. I can get used to this though.

Aircraft, ya, basically what everyone said on the last 20 pages. There used to be a wide range of skill levels in the air and alot to learn about flying. Now there will be a very small range of skill levels and little to learn about flying. I am not a fan.

Claymores are easy kills now too. Just drop one on the main enemy routes and nothing but an enemy body can set one off so its a guaranteed kill. They cant clear it with explosives and your team cant trip it so they basically have to jump on it or let the route be closed. Kinda retarted if you ask me.

At least I no longer have the desire to further upgrade my computer for this game.

1.2 = BAD

[Souperfro]

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You guys are just ****ed because you can't adapt worth a ****.

Here are a few tips with new patch.

-The support guns are a lot better (used to be specops whore, now I've
gone with the SF unlock for support and it rocks)

-If you are getting takin out by missiles more, do what I do. Get in (BY YOUR
SELF) a chopper or two seated plane. Now when you hear those annoying
lockons, 1st drop flares, then if you are still locked on push F2 (can't be locked on byanything except for mobile AA).....wait until flares are back, then
hit F1 and check if you are still locked on. "Wash Rinse Repeat"

-grenades are much better

-remember, all vehicles have lower total HP, meaning rockets do more damage.

It's so stupid all of you people have given up on BF2 after this patch. There
are still more patches to come, and keep in mind, only the things that YOU
want will stay in it. People wanted missiles to be more effective....well here
you go.

[snuggnads]

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just played it for 2 hours, tried everything - conclusion: i hate it. the battlefield spirit is gone, its a whole different game now.

snipers and AA missles are way too strong. everybody can shoot down a jet now, i mean everybody, even if planewhore is sitting in it. blackhawk is useless, miniguns dont do anything anymore. being infrantry you are getting sniped permanetely. and the n00btuber still is the same as before. i dont understand. i think i am done with this.

Update after thinking about it for 24 hours:

Still hate it. So much. Being able to jump and prone and fire really fast and then get up to find the next target was never a real big issue for me, but i used it. Now that its gone, i miss it like the desert misses the water. now i feel like my grandmother playing this game. Infrantry Action is so slow now. Both players dive and stay prone till the fight ends, usually with a random headshot.

What angered me greatly was the grenade launcher. I was happy to hear that they change it in the patch, so you can do more infranty fighting, c4chucking and shotgunstyle. But all this is limited now, but the noobtubing hardly changed at all.

Also the snipers are way to strong now. Being 5 times in a row shot down by sniper yesterday, i dicided to go sniper by myself. I was ridiculous. I never really used to sniper class (i suck at sniper) but yesterday i shot so many people, its not funny anymore. I thought they wanted to keep Bf2 a teamplay game and then i have to see this.

I think the AA - jet/helo action was balanced before the patch. The only thing that was not balanced was the j10-thrust. now its just stupid. i tried it yesterday, just sitting in the essex and i am pretty sure the flares didnt help when you locked the jet.

well anyways thank you whining bitching little noobs for ****ing up a perfectly good game. EA should have asked the expierienced players opinions.


Im just expressing an opinion, please dont flame me, just post your own.

dont' need to flame you, everything you said is correct....EA/DICE have ruined this game with the latest patch......roger that & over & out (for good)

[Ipecac]

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I would like to take this long-awaited opportunity to say: "ha.. ha.. HA HAHAHAHAHA!" No more jump shooting, dolphin diving, or plane whoring. I think it's FUNNY how mad those people are, and I hope you curl up and cry. Guess many people are going to have to learn to play straight-up. Maybe you'll find you can't do it without some kind of trick? Boo, hoo, hoooooo. See you on the battlefield, you little bitches.
XOXO -Ipecac
P.S. I am not a noob, nor am I a bad shot.

[Keith Maniac]

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dont' need to flame you, everything you said is correct....EA/DICE have ruined this game with the latest patch......roger that & over & out (for good)

So many martyrs after 1.2...

[=50K=Skuz]

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dont' need to flame you, everything you said is correct....EA/DICE have ruined this game with the latest patch......roger that & over & out (for good)

Amen brother.

[Donkey]

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I would like to take this long-awaited opportunity to say: "ha.. ha.. HA HAHAHAHAHA!" No more jump shooting, dolphin diving, or plane whoring. I think it's FUNNY how mad those people are, and I hope you curl up and cry. Guess many people are going to have to learn to play straight-up. Maybe you'll find you can't do it without some kind of trick? Boo, hoo, hoooooo. See you on the battlefield, you little bitches.
XOXO -Ipecac
P.S. I am not a noob, nor am I a bad shot.

You can still dolpin dive (looks more like dolphin sliding now) and all the AA did was give snipers an easy place to look for targets....

Most of the items in this patch EA/DICE when a little to far with and over compensated...

[Lugal317]

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I would like to take this long-awaited opportunity to say: "ha.. ha.. HA HAHAHAHAHA!" No more jump shooting, dolphin diving, or plane whoring. I think it's FUNNY how mad those people are, and I hope you curl up and cry. Guess many people are going to have to learn to play straight-up. Maybe you'll find you can't do it without some kind of trick? Boo, hoo, hoooooo. See you on the battlefield, you little bitches.
XOXO -Ipecac
P.S. I am not a noob, nor am I a bad shot.

I think anyone that has this type of response is proving that he/she is a n00b.

[subzero nautica]

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Lets be realistic here!

First, I agree that AA Vehicles needed more power. I was sick and tired of shooting a helicopter at point blank range and only hearing a dent sound and then getting myself killed that that chopper's missiles.

BUT....

It is unrealistic to think a plane or chopper has an equal advantage over surface AA and mobile AA's in a small combat zone.

That expectation is like expecting trench soldiers to outrun machine guns set in a cross shooting pattern.

Take Ghost for example. The SAS Base Camp has an AA missile that can easily hit any chopper attempting to take off from that corner base. As can the AA missile platform in the center of the map. Now add the AA Mobile vehicle which is also a short distance away and now you have three AA Missile platforms that can easily hit this chopper at take off.

Also the flares on the chopper and planes take too long to reload. Realistically, a pilot should have a limited supply of flares but be able to release them as quickly as needed.

Why are flares a problem? Because those platform AA missiles fire twice. Flares only work for one of those missiles which means almost always your hit by the second missile.

SO HERE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS FOR THE NEXT REV.

1. Limited Supply of Flares.
2. Ability to launch Flares as quickly as necessary.
3. Shorten the range of AA Platform and Mobile vehicles.
4. Remove AA Platforms in middle of fields (this should be mobile territory only as platform AA's realistically are only used to protect major assetts and long term military bases, captured points arent long term bases).
5. Increase air space so that jets can outrun AA Missiles and so they arent 100% of the time inside the AA Zone. They should have a zone that offers protection from AA fire.

[Verzili]

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its a good change was getting boring playing with the air power of the last patch,now only skilled pilots will achive greatness,and for us on the ground its payback time for our k/d ratio and finaly a sniper weapon that can snipe (my fav m95)

just embrase the change and get on with it,that a better way to deal with it .
before the patch i had to try very hard to hit anything with m95 now i can acutualy take a decent shoot from 200meters.

never really used the AA before 1.2 but now its a option.

overall its a good job ,new weapons new tactics,and less BHoping and Ddiving!!

it really comes down to the fact that if you dont adapt you will be ownd,
i was geting killed alot by heli,planes before 1.2 but i just carryed on playing.

but now its my turn to dish out some pain.
those that arent familar with dying alot will find it hard at 1st,but that what change does.

keep going with 1.2 determination with present you will some new tactics ,and you may find in time you like it.

after all its a game.

[FURRY BIRD]

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OK so we will have a game full of snipers and tanks., maybe that's good thing as I like to go sniping.