NoobTuber or Tuber: Wheres the line?

[PHPT]

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With the tube you get 1 shot then you have to reload. People call me a noob when I land a nade between 2 people and kill them both at long ranges.

heh it's even better with the F2000 because what most people don't realize is the stupid amount of time it takes to switch back to bullets with that thing. Most people just pick it because it's the second unlock and is supposed to pwn and never use the flashbangs. :P

People say it takes no skill to use a GL, true.
But guess what, it takes no skill to use any gun.

Killing someone with an automatic involves a lot more than ONE shot. You FREQUENTLY get shot back. If you're at a range, many of those shots will miss. If they react to your shots fast enough, they may dive or jump or otherwise evade your shots and take you down.

Noob tube: point, click, grenade comes at them too fast to get out of the way and they die from the 6ft radius splash.

I've got 2:1 with the grenade launcher and I barely even try. The only time I even pick assault is when I need to kill a few people and I don't want to worry about them fighting back. Long-range shots are not hard, especially when there are so few things that can shoot BACK effectively at that range. All you need to do is correct based on your failed shot, if that. I've knocked people off the TV station roof from the ground, I've knocked snipers off that mini-skyscraper in Ghost Town with vertical shots (GP-30 mortar, woot), and I've barely got over 4 hours of time with it.

[Digital-Boy]

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Killing someone with an automatic involves a lot more than ONE shot. You FREQUENTLY get shot back. If you're at a range, many of those shots will miss. If they react to your shots fast enough, they may dive or jump or otherwise evade your shots and take you down.

Noob tube: point, click, grenade comes at them too fast to get out of the way and they die from the 6ft radius splash.

6 feet is roughly double the GL's kill radius, but I agree with your first point. It's kind of unfortunate how easy it is to evade bullets just by frantically dancing like an idiot. Anyway, on to the main topic.

Anyway, with the exception of close range (<10m) kills, I think the grenade launcher is perfectly legitimate to use against infantry. However, "whoring" or "abusing" the grenade launcher still steps dangerously close to the line of being cheap and/or unsporting. What I consider noob-tubing:

1) Using the grenade launcher as your primary weapon.
2) Using the grenade launcher at close range as a "one-shot shotgun."

[PHPT]

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Anyway, with the exception of close range (<10m) kills, I think the grenade launcher is perfectly legitimate to use against infantry.

It's always legitimate to use, I use it plenty myself, but the argument that it takes any real degree of skill to use except for some REALLY weird trick shots is ridiculous.

When I use it, I use it BECAUSE it takes no skill. Squad of 2 people coming to take a flag and I got killed? Respawn as assault! Plunk! Bang! Cleared, and I didn't even get shot at. Flag's under attack and needs some reinforcing? Good, plenty of people to distract them while I reload the stupid thing. Plunk! Bang! Damn I am good, especially when I'm standing on the roof near the Hotel and dropping it in the alleyway! Sniper near the Sharqi Construction Site and I don't want to risk getting shot? Plunk! Bang!

Granted, it's terrible against large squads, especially with medic reinforcement, and even worse for prolonged fights, but when you need a few FREE kills, it certainly does deliver!

[TokenBrit]

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Sure it takes several bullets to kill a guy, but what difference does that make?
You put your cursor on the guy and you click.
Whether the bullet hits or not is entirely based on the deviation of the gun, and not on any "skill" you might claim to have.
All the guns are point and click in BF2, realistically you never have to lead a shot except at extreme range, bullet drop is nigh on negligible.
To say it takes no skill to toob somebody is quite true, but it takes no skill to click on a person with an assault rifle either.
Doubtless when the GL is nerfed people will find a new weapon to hate. Maybe the PKM or one of the 36 series. There will always be one gun which is the best in a given situation. People will always cry when they lose to it because they are underpowered.
As far as I am concerned while noob tubing is in the game, its in the game. If you dont want to get toobed, play a different game, wait for the patch, or just STFU.
All this pseudo-snobbery of it being only honourable to kill people with bullets is ridiculous. If it's in the game people will use it, and no amount of crying will change that.

[Roger Smith]

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1) agreed aa needs fixing
2) i consider myself a good pilot, and i only bomb the same place if the enemy is stuck at one flag. further more i would like to say, bombing is harder than it looks, i would welcome fixed aa as i wouldnt have to use my cannon on good enemy pilots. i fight from the ground aswell and know how impossible it is sometimes when theres a good enemy pilot, i would welcome a change as much as the next guy.
3) nade spam isnt a problem at all, its a tactical element that keeps you on your toes, if you see nade spam, pull back.
4) nothing wrong with shooting people with a tank man.
5) fixed in 1.2
6) i use this tactic yet i do agree with you. a good fix would be making it so after you get squad leader, you can only be a spawn point after your next respawn. that way someone couldnt just pass it off to the guy thats alive, because he wouldnt be a spawnpoint untill next time he dies and respawns. i think if that was implemented, i would also like to see an intersquad squadleader vote.

the noob tube problem will be fixed, because the elements that make it noobed are being removed, jumpshooting and point blank firing. just using the thing isnt noobed. people are whiners, hell im a whiner, thats just how
it goes dood.

[Savior_Six]

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I just have a few hours left to finish up my veteran assault badge. I must say I still laugh everytime I toob someone point blank, fun stuff. Reminds me of the awp from CS, alot of people use it so they can be good.

I doubt I'll play assault much once I get the veteran badge though, I like the other kits much more, but it's always fun when you need a laugh.

[193d DCAT1]

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I think using the toob is only noobish when used in conjunction with the bunny hop to engage in CBQ. The bunny toob attack is really just an exploit of lag. That being said, I like to use the toob on city maps - it is good at short and long range and against vehicles (even helicopters) so why not use it? I will not bunny hop.

[dBs]

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Its hilarious how this is actually turning into a science or something :laugh: Or purhaps its more of a culinary art, "you take a dash of pistol and stir it slowly with a scoche of riffle. You bring that to a simmer and add your mixed toob and noobtoob. Then you put it in the oven and 25 min. at 98.6 degrees and you have a n00b all fresh and ready for serving"

[lSIlSERIALBUTCHER]

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THX for clearing that up for me tegan

[PHPT]

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Sure it takes several bullets to kill a guy, but what difference does that make?
You put your cursor on the guy and you click.

The difference is that you need skill to handle someone dropping down and evading your fire and counterattacking you. You don't have to worry about that with the GL, because you instakill them if you hit anywhere close.

[imported_bigpappa]

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u prob just killed the admin and he got mad and yelled real loud to get his mom to get him some more choco milk.

[TokenBrit]

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The difference is that you need skill to handle someone dropping down and evading your fire and counterattacking you. You don't have to worry about that with the GL, because you instakill them if you hit anywhere close.

LOL
Since when does adjusting your cursor by <2cm count as skill.
Sure the GL is a better weapon than any rifle, but it doesn't require more or less of this so called "skill" to operate.
There is little to no skill involved in infantry BF2.
If you want to play a game involving an actual learning curve, where it really does take practice to become a master of something I suggest you try out one of the first two Tribes games.
BF2 is not about skill.

[PHPT]

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I'm not going to honor you by posting what I've already said several times again, you can scroll back and read my posts until you get the part about "getting shot back." Until then...

There is little to no skill involved in infantry BF2.
....
BF2 is not about skill.

... I'll just ignore all further posts from you, because you clearly have no clue.

[HowieMandel]

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skill usually comes when you play/do something too much....or in all reality more then someone else.

[Cornbread Mafia]

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I believe the Grenade LAunchers are over used because of BunnyHoppers...

But it is sort of a vicious circle. Staring with, the weapon accuracy- Alot of people have said the accuracy of the wepaons is really bad, and on some weapons i agree; such as Light Machine Guns and Sniper Rifles. BUt overall, the weapon accuracy is rather realistic considering the combat situation, wind, gravity, recoil, etc.. YOu can get a real good grouping with any weapon if you are shooting as you would at a firing range, ie, just shooting at a target in an empty server...

Okay - i give accuracy a solid thumbs up, as it is fair and acceptable.. Now we come to the problem areas - player hit points or damage they are able to take. With the exception of the G3, AK-101 and 1 or two other weapons, it takes 2 or more shots to the head to kill a player. Hell, a shot to the head is a shot to the head, nuff said. Then body shots can range from 3/4 on up..... The player can just take an exaggerated amount of damage before dying...

Now the biggest issue- We can bunny hop.. We can jump and move all over the place, and a person trying to hit that target has to move their gun around to follow the targets radical movements. This causes bullet spread which compounds the issue of trying to hit the radiclaly, unrealistic movements of the target....

Now, being humans, we like to find the easiet ways to get the job done. That means resorting to 1 hit killers like the grenade launcher, bombs, hand grenades, C4 and what have you...

So in conclusion - if EA/Dice would get rid of the crappy bunny hopping and dolphin diving type tactics, the noob tubing and the likes would reduce...Because peole could use their primary weapon with an acceptable degree of success.