BF2 Sniping vs. Real Sniping?

[White Feather]

EXPERT MARSKMAN HELP NEEDED!

EDIT: My information has been found from http://www.snipersparadise.com

ANOTHER EDIT: I have another question, which is really quite important for me. How big would someone say a USMC/PLA/MEC character model be in inches or feet? Is it 6 ft. flat or something? I need to know this for this formula:
Size of target (in inches) * 25.4 / by the height of the target in MILs = Range (in meters) *= multiply / = divide

Okay. I've studied up on the factors of long range marksmanship, including range estimation, weather affects, leading, MIL and MOA, elevation, temperature, altitude, humidity, wind, etc. Why, because I am preparing for the Marine Corps, and I look to get into Scout/Sniper School in Quantico, Virginia. Then, BF2 came along and I thought sniping on it would be fun, including the favored ghille suit, and M24. But, there's one problem, I haven't found a forumula or resolution to the BF2 bullet drop problem. I know, it's been discussed before, but I can't find those old posts anymore. Can someone help me with this? I am positive that I am capable of making long ranged kills, from 300-400 or maybe even 500 meters away (although the damn fog obscures vision at that range.) if I know how to calculate how great the bullet drop is from so many meters away. Can someone help me with this? PLEASE!

In short, my question is:
How do I calculate how much my bullet will drop (due to gravity) as it reaches its destination?

Also, the varied scopes in BF2 are different, ofcourse. The MIL dots are at different sizes, and I think this is going to affect my shots. Look:





As you can see, the M95 is my least favorite rifle because THERE ARE NO HORIZONTAL MILs I don't include the Dragunov because I despise its optics and won't use it, unless close range city battles.


This is a MIL:

[White Feather]

Re: BF2 Sniping vs. Real Sniping?

20 views no repsonses?

[Eden]

Re: BF2 Sniping vs. Real Sniping?

Lol I expect its to complicated for most BF2 players here. I don't know the formula for BF2 Bullet drop, maybe you could ask someone at Dice what it is lol.

Aiming correctly is usually something my brain does automatically without me thinking about it Id probably miss all the time if I even knew the formula.

[White Feather]

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Yes, but I like to practice, since I may have an advantage when I get into S/S school in the marines. Also, if anyone is like me and is chasing a dream to become a sniper, http://www.snipersparadise.com will help very will, along with http://www.shooterready.com - a GREAT simulation.

Okay I have questions about this:

Reasonings...
Bullet drop calculations:
Bullet Travel Time (seconds): t = Distance / 1000
Bullet drop (meters): D = -5t^2

What the is t, D, and ^

[mistakenvt]

Re: BF2 Sniping vs. Real Sniping?

What the is t, D, and ^

Bullet drop calculations:
Bullet Travel Time (seconds): t = Distance / 1000
Bullet drop (meters): D = -5t^2[/i]

However I'm stumped on ^

[ConscriptVirus]

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im not sure but in the m95 scope..the 6 would be the 600 meter mark?..but in this game..the m24 (most accurate one) is pretty much effective at the maximum of 200 meters give or take..and with that gun there is practically no bullet drop

but if u want to bring some math into this about accuracy ...

say a target is out at 200 meters. If u finger or gun barrel moves 1 degree during the time ur pulling the trigger...u can calculate with tan(1 degree)*200meter = 3.49 meters off = 349 cm...which is a lot and this is assuming that u have the most accurate rifle in hand. ..so for this game..sniping is at a disadvantage

oh and i also heard that the gun has a "sway" , but u cant see it so its even harder

[Spodeboy]

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Bullet drop calculations:
Bullet Travel Time (seconds): t = Distance / 1000
Bullet drop (meters): D = -5t^2[/i]

However I'm stumped on ^

The ^ is a symbol of "to the power of", so the equation should look like this:

[SK]

Re: BF2 Sniping vs. Real Sniping?

My bullet drop thread is here:

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35977

That´s probably the most info you can get on bullet drop in BF2.

Just memorize this chart and you should be fine:

More calcs!
t is the time to hit the target
y is the bullet drop

-if the target is 100m away then t=0.10sec and y= 0.05m
-if the target is 150m away then t=0.15sec and y= 0.11m
-if the target is 200m away then t=0.20sec and y= 0.20m
-if the target is 250m away then t=0.25sec and y= 0.31m
-if the target is 300m away then t=0.30sec and y= 0.44m
-if the target is 350m away then t=0.35sec and y= 0.60m
-if the target is 400m away then t=0.40sec and y= 0.78m
-if the target is 500m away then t=0.50sec and y= 1.23m
-if the target is 550m away then t=0.55sec and y= 1.48m
-if the target is 600m away then t=0.60sec and y= 1.76m

[White Feather]

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Well, I know my problem. The MOA of 1 mil or, Minutes of an Angle, are different than real life MOAs of the Marine Corps and Army. The Marines being, 3.438 per one MIL, the Army's being 3.6 of one MIL. All three scopes in BF2, the M95, M24, and Type 88, have different MOAs per MIL too. I could fix my problem, if I knew what the MOA's per MIL were for each scope. So, does anyone from EA, DICE, or TBF2 who know anything about the scopes, know what the MOA is for each? Does anyone even know what MOA is?

EDIT: The reason I need the MOA is, because without it, my range estimations would be up in the 700-800- 1000's, because of real life, large optic scopes.

[SK]

Re: BF2 Sniping vs. Real Sniping?

How about just forgetting about real MOAs and all that, trying to consider that might be incredibly "marine", but is futile and geeky in the end. Face it - BF2 is a semirealistic arcade shooter, you´ll fare much better using simple range estimations.

And if you really want to, you can work out that stuff for yourself, just get on a empty server with a friend, let him stand near a flag 100m, 200m etc. away and note how large he appears relative to the respective sniper rifle´s scope markings. Get used to it, and remember the table I posted. You now can estimate the range to the enemy, and look up how high you have to aim using the table.

[Robske007a]

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wow, this is a bit over my head...

[sjforrester]

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i think the recent patch may have significantly reduced bullet drop as everyone is claiming they are more accurate. especially the m95 which had the most significant bullet drop. This isn't a training sim. I can't imagine wanting to shoot a living human in the head for a living but to each his own

sjf

[|ASNL|Ragamuffin]

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Post 1.2 Sniper rifles are much more accurate but I have not confirmed if this is just due to deviation changes and / or better netcode.

Sniping in this game especially at long distance is effected by your ping as with a ping of ~100 shooting from the north side of wake island to somone on the south side who was running perpendicular to me i had to aim above them and 3 - 5 person lengths infront of them to score a hit.

Therefor you must always lead your targed if they are moving.

[Grafisk]

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If you wanna practice sniping so bad, get Operation Flashpoint, at least the ranges in the scopes are for real.

[MattyB]

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also, where is the 1 shot kill on BF2, is it ANYWHERE on the head?
in real life, the perfect hit is right on the bump of the nose, or inbetween the eyes. the nerves get chopped instantly and the victim won't even flinch, pull a trigger, scream. thats a true instant kill.