Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

IMO a sniper should NEVER be prone, unless he has an excellent spot. If you know someone sees you, I think you should be crouched, or standing, or move in between the two. Because with prone, it's almost always, either a headshot, or a miss. Crouched or standing, you will most likely be moving if you know someone sees you.

Another thing I see "snipers" do ALL THE TIME... DON'T sit on the top of a hill... or the "top" of anything... that is REALLY predictable, and on top of that, you can see the "bump" in the "horizon". Your eyes look for things like that, along with movement. The trick is, to lay in the middle of a downwards hill, facing outwards, and make sure the thing behind you matches your ghille suit. One of THE BEST sniper spots I know of, is on mashtuur overlooking the backyard. You are invisible. The ONLY way someone will see you, is on a UAV/spotted, or if they see your muzzle flash.

But then again.. you should also know, the snipers job isn't to kill as many people as possible... It is to spot every important target you see, taking out standing targets, guys in turrets, and running targets (if you can). What I do is scan around and make sure no one is looking at me (so they don't see the muzzle flash), AND... ALWAYS go for the headshot... because if you miss, they get a big nice red arrow pointing your way.. and I can GUARUNTEE, they will change their direction to you and try to spot you, and the whole time will be bunnyhopping etc. like a mofo.

Lol I kinda got off topic there...

[Lazza66]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

Agreed, the UAV and scans should not see prone snipers UNLESS their team has no flags left.

To those that argue that in real life the UAV would see them, it wouldn't. It would find a thermal pattern that could be a dog, goat, cow or whatever. The UAV would not "know" it's a sniper.

Regarding team play, how can a sniper be an asset to the team when their special ability (stealth) doesn't exist? Maybe they would be an asset to the team if they could actually hide.

To be honest, when the game came out I was surprised that as commander the scan could see them. To me this is so obvious that I thought "WTF, my scan can see that sniper lying there motionless!".

[Fakesound]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

To those that argue that in real life the UAV would see them, it wouldn't. It would find a thermal pattern that could be a dog, goat, cow or whatever. The UAV would not "know" it's a sniper.

Regarding team play, how can a sniper be an asset to the team when their special ability (stealth) doesn't exist? Maybe they would be an asset to the team if they could actually hide.

To be honest, when the game came out I was surprised that as commander the scan could see them. To me this is so obvious that I thought "WTF, my scan can see that sniper lying there motionless!".

I hate those sharp shooting goats! :evil:

They also have distance on their side, at a very accurate high damage rifle?

They semi do hide, at a distance without moving I may pass over them unnoticed. If he shoots and doesn't kill me, or misses, it's his loss for loosing his position and dying. As commander I do a scan, see outskirt troops and zoom in, alas a red dot fades and I'll spot him... Or a goat

[Batausu]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

I've heard there already are ghillie suits without thermal signature and only visible to human eye under a certain distance.

[evilzucchini]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

How do you even know you are being spotted by the commander?

There is no such thing as a "good" sniping spot in BF2.

If it is actually a good spot, everyone knows about it. If you do find somewhere new, it is not that hard for someone to see where the shot is coming from and to then locate your position.

Immediately assuming that when you got killed it was because the commander spotted you just doesn't make sense. Seriously, how do you know?

The bigger problem with the sniper class is the draw distance. At a certain distance, the gound objects no longer draw but the players still do. So, to you, it appears you are hiding under a nice bush, but to the sniper across the way you are a big black dot sitting on top of a hill.

That is something that the sniper class should be more concerned with, my experience, as a commander or player is that when I spot someone, noone notices or cares unless the spot is RIGHT next to them. I have spotted snipers picking people off and noone ever goes after them.

I think you are fearing something that actually isn't much of a problem.

[[M_Metcalf]]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

You want them to run around in metal air vent suits?

Exactly how much hay is there growing on the rooftops of Karkand?

There is no such thing as a "good" sniping spot in BF2.

Actually, there are at least a few excellent ones (on Kubra, Sharqi, Ghost Town and Mashtuur to begin with), but they are so obvious people tend to overlook them.

A sniper doesn't always have to be a thousand yards away near the top of the highest hill...

[zipp0r]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

How do you even know you are being spotted by the commander?

There is no such thing as a "good" sniping spot in BF2.

If it is actually a good spot, everyone knows about it. If you do find somewhere new, it is not that hard for someone to see where the shot is coming from and to then locate your position.

Immediately assuming that when you got killed it was because the commander spotted you just doesn't make sense. Seriously, how do you know?

The bigger problem with the sniper class is the draw distance. At a certain distance, the gound objects no longer draw but the players still do. So, to you, it appears you are hiding under a nice bush, but to the sniper across the way you are a big black dot sitting on top of a hill.

That is something that the sniper class should be more concerned with, my experience, as a commander or player is that when I spot someone, noone notices or cares unless the spot is RIGHT next to them. I have spotted snipers picking people off and noone ever goes after them.

I think you are fearing something that actually isn't much of a problem.

maybe because all of a sudden enemies come looking for you when they never saw you. and you get artilary on your head or a car

[Heatseeker_no.1]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

You've got to remember, snipers don't wear ghillie suits anymore, they wear tick suits (check wiki on "sniper") which significantly cut down their thermal signature.

However I play sniper a lot yet I don't think that they should be invisable to uavs, a sniper who is seen by a uav has either already been spotted by the commander or is too near to the action. Plus, you can see the uav now, so once you see it, just relocate.

I think that they should be invisible to scans because firstly it is realistic without ruining gameplay and secondly, the sniper class very rarely gets the big points compared to medics or vehicle whores so they still need buffing a little.

Finally, people only complain when snipers kill them but that is what a sniper is meant for; anti infantry, so if you are annoyed at a sniper, become a sniper and hunt them down.

[Lazza66]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

There is no such thing as a "good" sniping spot in BF2.

They are few, but they are there.

That is something that the sniper class should be more concerned with, my experience, as a commander or player is that when I spot someone, noone notices or cares unless the spot is RIGHT next to them. I have spotted snipers picking people off and noone ever goes after them.

That depends on the priorities, and the weapon type and range of those in the area. I've spotted snipers as commander only to see them almost immediately taken out, at range. Snipers up the crane at Sharqi immediately pummelled by the APC etc. after spotting them.

I think you are fearing something that actually isn't much of a problem.

It is a problem, why go to all the trouble of 'setting up camp' when you're spotted within seconds to minutes? You assume too much.

[face-smasher]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

Yeah, that happens to me all the time too. What a waste.

If I could I would drop 10 of those at the same time.

[N2K]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

Snipers should be ghosts to the UAV and radar scan, i rather hunt them down then to have them spotted for me.

[imported_Boots]

Re: Commanders should not be able to spot "un-prone" snipers

I think this should be taken away from an un moving spec ops solider (cant be seen by uav when not moving) and given to teh sniper