The Noob Tube and the real way to fix it

[Bravo Six]

Re: The Noob Tube and the real way to fix it

Side note: I'm suprised no one has realised this/commented on it yet, but with a minimum range it's gonna be a LOT harder to nail those jeeps coming straight at you. Good thing/bad thing? I donno. It's gonna be true tho.

It's how I was saying that DICE's balance changes seem to lack logic sometimes. They claim the GL is for use against light vehicles, yet the minimum range will greatly reduce Assault's ability to defend itself against said intended targets.

I still agree with the minimum range, I just don't think limiting the GL's usefulness against infantry as well as implementing the minimum range to be a good idea.

[77th|Slocum]

Re: The Noob Tube and the real way to fix it

I used to play America's Army before BF2 came out and what we used to do with the GL(ya know since it has a arming dist) was to shoot it into a room, and bounce it around not unlike a hand grenade. Once it bounced around enough it would detonate. I am wondering if you will be able to do the same in BF2. I barley ever play assult personally so I am not to worried about them over nerfing it, and am glad they are making it harder to use. As it stands now when i get killed at range by the GL I have no problem with it b/c i know it is hard to do. But that is rare b/c most ppl dont do that b/c they dont have to, they just need to come around corners and blast ya. Putting in an arming dist will make it harder for assulters, and easier for ppl like you and me(I play mostly support). I fully support the changes(maybe not the damage area so much) and am very ready for this patch.

Just my $.02

[LoganX]

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My balance phylosophy is always "power up the weaker one" rather then "nerf the stronger one".

I know I said I was done but this is a slightly different topic.
The problem with "powering up" as opposed to "nerfing" (Stupid word that it is which only the abusers of such exploited weaponry use) is that when you Power Up weaponry you now have to deal with ALL of it's targets instead of the one that is was abused against.
Example...If they beefed up the AA guns instead of reducing the Aircraft health like they did, you would now have an AA vehicle that is even MORE deadly against Infantry and Light Armor. Now you would have to change all of that damage coding too. Way too much work and not necessary.
Lower the hit points of the Aircraft (which were way too strong anyway...and I'm a pilot) and you've fixed the problem with 1 re-code instead of dozens.
We'd never see patches even close to being on time if they did it your way.

[SpeedyGonzales]

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The way I have fixed it is that I stopped playing all
but 3 BF2 maps totally..... All the city maps in BF2 are
horrible to play... absolutely skilless noobness..

Wake Island.. Dragon Valley...and Gulf are the only 3 maps
worth playing in BF2...and yeah that includes the horrible
expansion pack..they're ALL junk..

Public servers in general are horrid to play on.. After joining
a league 2 months ago, I rarely play on public servers, but
when I do, its a noob fest of teammates killing each other
for jets/choppers.. or goofing off otherwise... commanders
totally idle the whole game, or helping themselves only.

yuk. public servers within BF2 are the worst out of any game
I have ever played.. and with the useless voting system theres
NOTHING you can do about it..

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

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As a player of city maps [alot]. I can say that the GL is NOT the weapon that kills me the most. Allow me to list in order.
1. Tank
2. APC.
3. G36E
4. Noobtube

Thats a typical round at Kirkand.
I dont see, nor have ever seen half a team run around with their noobs out. You might see me doing it, but you wont even see the rest of my squad doing it. I really cant see the problem. I think people get killed with it a few times then times their expirence by 10 and then moan on and get EA to mess the game up.

The assault is ment to own. BUT
1. Their main gun aint the best
2. the GL is now gonna be really crap.
3. Still only got one smoke [yet SF support gets 4]

Already the Assault is weak and cos of a few people, they will make it usless.
The Assault should be the starting kit to any new player in BF2, yes?
Yet, most use Spec Ops cos of the scope. fair enough.
I dont know wot Im getting at now. Im just upset that the Assault class is gonna be as useful as a boat on Karkand.
All all this messing with the GL will make it unused, at worse it will not fixing the problem of people getting noobed out by it, just incresse it.

-Personally, I think people get pi$$ed off with it cos half the time they dont have a clue to where it came from.............well when Im behind one, at least :P

[WarGimp]

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Oi, Colin... you do understand that your credibility is shot ta shaz when yer sitting at 8,679 toob kills, aye?

http://bf2s.com/player/Colinloves/

Do you really expect us to believe you're impartial when the toob accounts for almost HALF your small arms kills??

[Tenshi]

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Is it possible to make a game in which all participants agree that the game is balanced?

Everyone here has an opinion...why?.. because everyone here plays the game to their own end. Maybe this would explain why Dice make changes that seem illogical. Our logic is based on our point of view of what the game should be.

I think dice has thought up some pretty clever fixes. The timer on nades is a neat solution. No-one knows how changes affect the game in the long run. Yet people are ready to compain about changes that havent been made yet.

[Tenshi]

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The assault is ment to own.


Already the Assault is weak and cos of a few people, they will make it usless.

NO CLASS IS 'MEANT TO OWN'.

Who's they? Is this a conspiracy to stunt your score?

I dont think people at dice spend their days thinking about ways to screw 'the real' players over.

[LoganX]

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Oi, Colin... you do understand that your credibility is shot ta shaz when yer sitting at 8,679 toob kills, aye?

http://bf2s.com/player/Colinloves/

Do you really expect us to believe you're impartial when the toob accounts for almost HALF your small arms kills??

This is my point exactly about the type of player that are 'defending' the way the GL is now.

(Oh...did I make a post here again?...Dangit!!)

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

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Oi, Colin... you do understand that your credibility is shot ta shaz when yer sitting at 8,679 toob kills, aye?

http://bf2s.com/player/Colinloves/

Do you really expect us to believe you're impartial when the toob accounts for almost HALF your small arms kills??

LOL - I was waiting for this.

Firstly, i have 2 mates that play on my account alot and only use the assault with the noob out. fair enough. they aint great with it, but they dont do toe-2-toe kills with it [Ive told them its bad]

Secondly. I do love the noob. I was ranked 69 in the world with it a few months back. Saldy Im abit rusty with it now. But play with me on the field and see wot Im like with it. I like to use the noob for long single shots or nice groups. Ive forgot how many full blackhawks Ive taken out the sky with it.... So yeah, I gott alotta kills with it. Call me a noob whore :P

I think Im a good example of a good noobtube. Ive played it alot, kill, kill, kill and wont [but have done, just like Ive TKed], use it at point blank range.
I freely admit that I use it as a main weapon on Strike. Sorry, if that is seen as bad. Hang me.

[WarGimp]

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This is my point exactly about the type of player that are 'defending' the way the GL is now.

(Oh...did I make a post here again?...Dangit!!)

Aye, I get that.
And I agree that there are plenty o toob whores out there that have abused the living crap outta the thing.

HOWEVER, me being me, I'm playing the moderate.
Ya see... I can (and have) whore that thing perty well myself. Because I don't like being "that kind of player", I try not too. I do get a perty good side of both lawns while I'm sitting on this here fence tho.

I think it would be a shame to totally destroy the weapon just because it's been abused in the past. It doesn't need nerfing. It needs fixing and proper implementation.

I'd be just as cheesed over a worthless weapon as I would over an abused one. It's just not good design either way.

Again, we'll have to wait 'n see what their fix is like, but I have a feeling they've toned it down too much.

[WarGimp]

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LOL - I was waiting for this.

Firstly, i have 2 mates that play on my account alot and only use the assault with the noob out. fair enough. they aint great with it, but they dont do toe-2-toe kills with it [Ive told them its bad]

My my... that's about the oldest excuse in the book!
:p

Secondly. I do love the noob. I was ranked 69 in the world with it a few months back. Saldy Im abit rusty with it now. But play with me on the field and see wot Im like with it. I like to use the noob for long single shots or nice groups. Ive forgot how many full blackhawks Ive taken out the sky with it.... So yeah, I gott alotta kills with it.

Yeah... and?
I was pointing out that you don't have much credibility when it comes to arguing against the toob being toned down. Ya don't. Obviously you love that thing. I consited it kinda cheap and feel dirty when I'm bouncing 'n blastin with it... so I don't. I didn't call ya a noob tho. Didn't even call ya down. Just poked a little fun while pointing out that we can't really take your views as being impartial in this disscussion.

I think that's fair.

Call me a noob whore :P

Deal!

[sT0nY]

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Everything is fine except they need to increase the blast radius yeh

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

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I love ther term 'noob' in connection to the tube. Im a noober. I will F**K you up anywhere on the map. Im proud.
But dont put me in the same box as the noob abusers. I dont bunny hop with it, I dont use it face 2 face. I just use it alot. Is that wrong?
The problem with the noob is how its used not just being used.
A tank killing foot troops alot, to me is classed as abuse.... I dont think the noob is in the same ball place as the tank.

NO CLASS IS 'MEANT TO OWN'.

RTFM

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

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opps, just to add, I dont bounce and tube. Do you really think I need to jump to get a better shot?
I might jump for 2 reasons.
1. I think i looks cool in the right situation
2. I want you to see me in the distance.