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  • LoKi.

    #31
    Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

    Name a server then Ghilleman and you can take the J-10 to the ship and ill take the essex.

    I bet ill kill you more than you kill me

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    • Ghilleman

      #32
      Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

      Hmm, sorry, no pilot policy. i don't fly jets. ever. And like i said, the chinese have no buisness at the essex, so they shouldn't be there in the first place.

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      • TheGhost

        #33
        Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

        Originally posted by <EsP>Fury
        I can aim :evil:

        Shooting at a target sitting on a deck is not the same as trying to down a J10 coming in afterburners on with a half decent pilot in the cockpit.

        Ghilleman is right under combat conditions the AA gun on the Essex is weak.
        I just tested it to be safe, and I was a bit off with my first statement. In truth, it takes only 5 bullets from the Essex AA gun to take out one of the F-35's. (Attack helos take more, and the transports take a pretty good burst of sustained fire)

        But anyway, you say you can aim, and yet apparently you can't land 5 bullets onto a jet? How many bullets can that cannon fire in a second? What are we talking here, a couple tenths of a second of sustained fire at most to completely anihilate an airplane? For God's sake, what do you people want? Maybe a laser beam that obliterates a plane on contact...

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        • LoKi.

          #34
          Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

          my point exactly if you dont know how to fly you shouldn't even be in the essex gun. A Pilot in the essex gun will predict what the enemy pilot will do alot better than anybody else on the deck of that ship.

          IF YOU CANT FLY DONT ...... IF YOU CANT UNDERSTAND PILOTS DONT GET IN THE ESSEX.... LET SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW DO IT

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          • TheGhost

            #35
            Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

            Originally posted by Ghilleman
            Hmm, sorry, no pilot policy. i don't fly jets. ever. And like i said, the chinese have no buisness at the essex, so they shouldn't be there in the first place.
            What a crock. The whole "Don't attack uncappables" is a BS argument. If both sides have an uncappable airfield, then fine make whatever rules you want. On the other hand, when it is just the US with the uncappable carrier there is no reason not to attack it. Playing on Wake or Dragon Valley as Chinese you never know when an F-35 is going to come out of nowhere as you are trying to take off and light you up on the ground. So why should the US pilots get a free ride? They already have much stronger air defense weapons to watch over them than the land based airfields get. It doesn't bother me when I get killed trying to take off, it's a smart move to neutralize a powerful enemy asset. What bothers me is when the same guy who will hammer the cappable airfield cries like a baby when someone pays back the favor and shoots him while he's taking off from the carrier.

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            • LoKi.

              #36
              Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

              Couldn't agree more ghost ..... If you look at these whiners stats I bet they play 75% of thier time on USMC or more.......and have never felt what it is like the other way round.

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              • Heavy552 AWG

                #37
                Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

                I am sorry you had a bad day on the airdefenses of the Essex.

                I have not tried it post 1.22 patch but in 1.21 the airdefense works so well that I have no problems sequencing a simultaneous engagment of TWO aircraft attacking in trail one after the other successfully.

                I find that is very possible at certain angles of attack in a J10 you can destroy the Essex air defense with just the gun before they have visual lock on you. That is just part of being a air defense player. I just thank fate that such good pilots are rare in the BF2 world.

                Now. There is a problem with the chain gun when you try to destroy the enemy transport heli in games like Iron Gator. Whom should I blame? EA and DICE for nerfting the gun so much as to allow the Transport target to FLY all the way from shore to carrier deck under fire without being destroyed?

                Or should I blame the map maker who failed the MEC side by not inserting approrpriate vehicles required to successfully transport enemies under fire from such a powerful Phalanx type air defense as found on the Essex?

                Or should I blame fellow whiners who screamed about Essex Pwnage as to cause EA and DICE to nerf the gun on the Essex until we are happy on the Yellow School bus successfully flying all the way in under fire? It seems some games get balanced or nerfted in a vareity of ways until most if not all players can be happy.

                Finally I like to offer a tip: be a commander on the Essex Air Defense. That way you can use the BIG SCAN to represent the weapon's onboard radar and get advanced warning of enemy aircraft rapidly approaching. You can then engage them properly before they actually see you.

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                • <EsP>Fury

                  #38
                  Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

                  Originally posted by TheGhost
                  I just tested it to be safe, and I was a bit off with my first statement. In truth, it takes only 5 bullets from the Essex AA gun to take out one of the F-35's. (Attack helos take more, and the transports take a pretty good burst of sustained fire)

                  But anyway, you say you can aim, and yet apparently you can't land 5 bullets onto a jet? How many bullets can that cannon fire in a second? What are we talking here, a couple tenths of a second of sustained fire at most to completely anihilate an airplane? For God's sake, what do you people want? Maybe a laser beam that obliterates a plane on contact...
                  To be honest I have never tested it so we can take your word for it 5 rounds seems to little though. It must depend where you hit it the bombs on the plane may explode first.

                  But the conditions of the test are what count.

                  Target's sitting on the deck or flying around not trying to kill you are diffrent than a pilot that wants to take you out.

                  From what I have seen in game since there is no warning most of the time the guy or gal in the AA is a sitting duck for any halfway decent pilot even after 1.2.

                  All the pilots will tell you is they have adapted their tactics since 1.2

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                  • imported_Wreck

                    #39
                    Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

                    You guys do realize this was a pre 1.2 patch post that has been resurrected right. This was a complaint from back in January. The original poster is saying that he'd like to meet planewhore now after the new patch since the AA has been improved.

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                    • TheGhost

                      #40
                      Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

                      Originally posted by Wreck
                      You guys do realize this was a pre 1.2 patch post that has been resurrected right. This was a complaint from back in January. The original poster is saying that he'd like to meet planewhore now after the new patch since the AA has been improved.
                      Yes, although some of the people posting today are still crying about underpowered AA, and I had to get that whole attacking uncappables thing of my chest anyway.

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                      • ConscriptVirus
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                        • Oct 2007
                        • 6369

                        #41
                        Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

                        Originally posted by Inc|LoKi
                        Couldn't agree more ghost ..... If you look at these whiners stats I bet they play 75% of thier time on USMC or more.......and have never felt what it is like the other way round.
                        most ppl play usmc cuz theyre from the us...

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                        • LoKi.

                          #42
                          Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

                          Looking back and reflecting on tonights coments we have to ask ourselves was their really such an imbalance in AA vs jets ?

                          Or was it just the fact that the AA was manned by morons that could not aim and extremely loud opinions.

                          They are still whining about jets, AA, Bombers, Helicopters, bunnyhopping, dolphindiving.

                          Man how I wish we could still throw C4 into noobs faces and listen to them cry.

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                          • <EsP>Fury

                            #43
                            Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

                            Originally posted by TheGhost
                            Yes, although some of the people posting today are still crying about underpowered AA, and I had to get that whole attacking uncappables thing of my chest anyway.

                            I have never said I don't attack uncappables TheGhost.
                            In fact it's one of the most fun things in the game to do.
                            That's probably why my K/D is not as high as I would like.

                            Unless the server has some rule about it I love to go and rackup kills in the enemy base.

                            I guess for the most part since no one is happy with the AA it must be about right.
                            The pilots were whining about it when 1.2 came out the ground pounders have been complaining since the game came out I guess this is the best Dice can do to balance it.

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                            • TheGhost

                              #44
                              Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

                              Originally posted by <EsP>Fury
                              I have never said I don't attack uncappables TheGhost.
                              In fact it's one of the most fun things in the game to do.
                              That's probably why my K/D is not as high as I would like.

                              Unless the server has some rule about it I love to go and rackup kills in the enemy base.
                              The issue of uncappables was in response to ghilleman who said enemy pilots had no business attacking the carrier.

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                              • <EsP>Fury

                                #45
                                Re: ESSEX guns underpowered

                                Sorry my bad

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