We were hacked. Several times over the past two weeks, in fact.
While all passwords are encrypted and salted, it's recommended that you change your password here when you can.
Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
Originally posted by boabynixon
Do you have a clue or were you just posting others opinion as fact, why has it been industry standard for a century.
2. airforce pilots are highly trained professionals and any test cannot be related to general public whatsoever!.
3. i did not say anything about picture quality at 30fps or 60 fps which most of your links discuss, so please be more civil or dont waste my time.
When direct X 12 (2009?) allows the geforce 9 series to produce realtime motion blur, then 25 to 30 frames will look great.
In the meantime, I now have 80 fps, and went from 15-25, I'm running a big monitor and forget the science. I can REALLY REALLY tell the difference. My Monitor works at 60 fps (60 HZ) so are 20 frames wasted??? LOL OK HL2 works at 160 FPS, but it is smooth....
Right now motion blur is beyond our current systems, at least very realistic stuff is. HDR helps, and look at the smoke in COD 2, more and more realtime graphical surprises are on the way. I have seen them all before as I used to work in Rendered 3D. Opacity, bump and specular maps and effects haven taken since 1990 to reach the world of realtime 3d (aka doom 3 and HL2). The new 7800's have even started decent radiosity stuff real volumetric lighting etc.
People keep mentioning that 30 fps is ALL the human eye can see, as far as I remember this was a "fact" made up by a US broadcaster about the invention of NTSC, to hide the fact the resolution was pants compared to the PAL signal which works at 25fps. Read about the invention of PAL and NTSC. Never forget the people who invented NTSC touted the fact, as it had more frames per second "IT WAS BETTER THAN CINEMA", this sound familiar to anyone????
The film industry works at 24 FPS. But thanks to motion blur it all looks fine. Watch the highspeed work in gladiator, the fight scenes often have no blur and are a bit freaky. They were captured on super high speed cameras and then recreated at normal speeds. Watch the romans vs the goths or some of the arena fights. You will see what I mean.
I have also seen tests done on LCD projectors than work at 60-80 fps.
60-80 frames per second are accuratly played to normal people and guess what, people could remember loads of loads of frames from all over the 60-80 range. But some could only remeber from the start frames or end. No one fitted the pattern of 30 a second.
So people can almost diffently can see more than 30 fps. Don't forget in the UK subliminal advertising is illegal. AKA replacing 1 FPS in a 24 or 25 FPS projections.
Remeber the frames from Fight Club anyone?????
Another fine example is run your monitor at 50 HZ then at 100HZ, does that look better? perhaps your eye can detect the extra 50 frames.....
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
Ok I play 800x600 at the lowest settings WHY? because it removes the anoying shrubs that block your view and Foes are so obvious especially when being a sniper.
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
I agree that the video card does play a big role in gameplay as long as your have the processor speed & the RAM also. With out the latter 2, it really doesn't matter.
And for those who say the human eye can only see about 30 FPS ... Total Morons! The human eye can actually distinguish upwards of 200 FPS. Now some peoples brains may NOT be able to, but thats a different story. FPS is really only measured in videos, etc. Which most movies are done at 30 FPS & higher. Anything less & it wouldn't be Fluid or smooth.
If an eye couldn't distinquish over 30 FPS in the real world, then we would probably be missing out on Baseballs fast balls, Hockeys Slap shots, Drag racing, Tennis power serves, etc. Give me a break. Like I said earlier. Some Brains may not be able to process it, but the eye can see it.
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
Just to clarify some confusion about LCD Monitors...
Originally posted by AnswerBag
Today's LCD monitors typically have a refresh rate of 55-75 Hz, which is plenty fast enough for games. But comparing refresh rates between CRTs and LCDs is like comparing apples to oranges. CRTs are refreshed to re-illuminate a phosphor on the screen; they usually require a 70 Hz or higher refresh rate in order to appear truly flicker-free. LCDs are flicker-free by design, and are refreshed simply to show updates, such as "motion" in movies or games.
Response Time is very important when looking at LCD Monitors, not Refresh Rates...
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
Guys we can argue all day, the best way is to do a poll and ask the people who have upgraded. Instead of asking if they can see better with the better (higher end) equipment. We should ask the important questions 1. Did your average per game go up after the up grade and 2. what was the change in your average. Since this is a poll the catagories might be: no change, zero to 20%, 20% to 40%, 40% to 60%, more than 60%. The people who take the poll could also list the date of the upgrade which would mean you could eaisly check to see if thier average went up. It would also be helpful if they listed thier system specs, old and new.
Remember according to physics bumble bees cant fly, but as you already know they manage some how. Science isnt the final answer but a tool to get the final answer. The facts listed here may or may not be correct they are only the current ones, ok. I still think a poll will tell us what we want to know with a lot less head ache than listing pointless facts. IMO.....Red
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
Check out my stats on BF2s.com
View my average kills/deaths/scores etc, from dec 10th I got a Zboard and then the new kit.
All the new kits got fully working by dec 22-23, then my scores got vertical. On SF today I owned for around 4 hours and got the sort of scores other people used to get.
People give a good player ok kit, he will get an Ok score most of the time and a good score some of the time. Give him great kit and he will get a great score almost constantly.
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
Try this in your .con file... I run it on P3.0, 2 gig RAM, 6800GT OC and get a steady 55-75 FPS.
This works great for seeing vehicles in the distance and cut's out enough extra's to get the job done... I play CAL-M BF2 and believe most players in my league would agree to a .con like this for best results.
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
I just got a new card and it gives me a huge advantage..playing on low with lag out the ass too ultra high with no lag, oh yeah if you could shoot ppl with bad settigns and lag then you'll own with a new card man.
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
Interesting post about FPS and the ability to notice changes. I still think 30fps is fine though, considering the speed of the vehicles, even the jets, is all pretty slow. If I run FRAPS, then I tend to really pay attention to whether I think the game is lagging down, and I'd say that I notice at around 35fps that anything below that isn't perfectly smooth. But as soon as I turn off FRAPS, and run the game again, knowing fullwell that it's running at the same FPS, I'd swear it's running a lot better*.
The point is that 100+fps won't give you an advantage unless it's your ONLY bottleneck. Playing at that frequency won't make you a better player. In fact, as many have said, turning down a lot of the eye candy will give you a tactical advantage, much more than any increase in fps can, over players who are playing with everything on high. The more detail you turn on, the harder it is to spot the enemy. Shadows are a great example of this. Sure, it looks great and realistic, but it also hides that person who's about to shoot you.
If you're looking for tactical advantage, turn off shadows but keep stuff like goemetry and view distance on high (because turning them any lower will make things "suddenly appear" a lot closer to you than you'd like them to). Keep the smoke effects and muzzle flashes because they'll help you locate the enemy.
If your videocard plays the game fine, and you want to buy some advantage (read: ADVANTAGE, not image quality), think about investing in the following, and I suggest in this order:
1) A 10,000 RPM SATA hard drive. They're expensive, and not bought for capacity. A 78gb will cost about $160 but most people who run their game on high RPM SATA drive will tell you that they're one of , if not THE, first one loaded into a game. Most servers don't have a start time anymore, so being the first on the field gives you an invaluable head start on the game. Sometimes it's a good 30 seconds before everyone else is spawned and oriented, meanwhile I'm already halfway to the first neutral flag. It'll also mean you get to pilot/drive instead of let someone get you killed.
2) Sound card. I don't have one yet, but supposably getting a soundcard (compared to using onboard motherboard sound) is a real eye opener. Since sound in BF2 is very 3D, a good sound card will help you hear footsteps, gunshots, etc. Using sound to your advantage is like having an unmanned drone continuously overhead monitoring what you can't see.
3) Ram. Even if you're playing with high FPS and stutter free, RAM will help you out the same way that a 1fared capacity will help your car stereo. You won't always use it, but every once in a while when you're in a tight senario with lots of action, and the game starts to bog down, you'll dip down into the low thirties instead of the low twenties, and THAT you will DEFINATELY notice.
Good luck. I know it's hard with everyone saying different stuff, and especialy since this turned into (and I chimed in too so I'm not blaming) a debate about how magical high FPS is. It's more about using your senses and your brain. The only thing you can do to help out your brain is to learn from experience, and the only thing that can help your senses is to make it easier on them by cutting back on the eye candy so you can detect motion easier, increasing audio quality, etc.
-----------------
Edit: Forgot I had this: *It's my understanding that FRAPS, while acting as a "background program", uses less memory than leaving a Firefox browser window open while playing a game. I mean just as an FPS counter. I've never used it for screenshots or video taking. So I don't think that turning FRAPS is why I notice a sudden, spuedo-increase in FPS. Plus, I usually just F12 until it disappears, which means it's still running, just not displaying.
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
Originally posted by Jofaba
2) Sound card. I don't have one yet, but supposably getting a soundcard (compared to using onboard motherboard sound) is a real eye opener. Since sound in BF2 is very 3D, a good sound card will help you hear footsteps, gunshots, etc. Using sound to your advantage is like having an unmanned drone continuously overhead monitoring what you can't see.
Last night i noticed that the sound isnt exactly 3d. You can tell the compass direction of a sound but the height doesnt seem to make a difference. Which is annoying. Otherwise, ye the sound is very important. Much more important than graphics performance. I have an audigy 2...I dont need satelite scans, i can hear people coming and tell where they are (even which way the are walking).
Re: Does a better Graphics Card give you and advantage?
What did you upgrade to? Bet although you didn't notice an increase in advantage that you're super happy you did the upgrade if you went from all low to all high =P
We process personal data about users of our site, through the use of cookies and other technologies, to deliver our services, personalize advertising, and to analyze site activity. We may share certain information about our users with our advertising and analytics partners. For additional details, refer to our Privacy Policy.
By clicking "I AGREE" below, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our personal data processing and cookie practices as described therein. You also acknowledge that this forum may be hosted outside your country and you consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the country where this forum is hosted.
Comment