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  • Kayback

    #61
    Re: N00b t00bing ethics

    But if the coders weren't trying to make it semi realistc why did they bother to include so much real life things into it. USMC, M16, M1A2, M203, AH1-z, MI-28, SVD.... all these things have real world counterparts that can be thought of when playing the game.

    The M203 IRL has a minimum range. This is for the safty safe of the user. In BF2 you can use it to blat a guy literally at your feet. Why restrict the M16A2 to semi/3 round burst? It would be no less "wrong" to make it full auto than it is to have the M203 blow up at your feet.

    I'm not saying make this a Rainbow Six clone, but frag happy multiple jumpers aren't playing in the spirit of the game and are, literally, using super human ability to jump round corner and often, generally while taking multiple hits from a 5.56mm weapon, blowing you up at contact range with a grenade in a method the programmers probably only sort of wanted.

    Obviously there is always going to be a bit of "game" ness to a popular game, because it will have to cater for hard core UT / Quake gamers as well as the middle of the road gamer types and try entice the mil simmers is as well. That isn't the issue.

    The issue is the M203 is as bad in BF2 as the AWP was in CS. It is being abused as a CQB instagib shotgun.

    While this game might not be, as you put it, "simulating "my life in the Marine Corp"!" that is what you are playing. A human soldier who is in the US Marines, or their opponents, and not a genetically enhanced super soldier.

    This is a combat game after all, a combat game depicting contemporary weapons and enviroments. This should lend itself to contemporary tactics. A crouched shooter using the iron sights should be much more dangerous than a person jumping around wildly.

    KBK

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    • WrAth2110

      #62
      Re: N00b t00bing ethics

      You have to "n00b t00b" faster and more accurate than the other n00b t00ber.

      War is war, **** ethics.

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      • WrAth2110

        #63
        Re: N00b t00bing ethics

        Originally posted by Kayback
        The M203 IRL has a minimum range. This is for the safty safe of the user. In BF2 you can use it to blat a guy literally at your feet. Why restrict the M16A2 to semi/3 round burst?
        LoL the M16 on full auto, that would be unstopable. Its good enough without full auto, with it, nothing would get in your way.

        And you talked about Rainbow Six, woooot....!!!! Rainbow Six takes the most skill of any first person shooter, playing CS is like taking candy from a baby. LOL babies.....

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        • Fall0ut

          #64
          Re: N00b t00bing ethics

          actually Americas Army takes most skills ever in any game.

          This has got to be a fact.

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          • Kayback

            #65
            Re: N00b t00bing ethics

            Originally posted by WrAth2110
            LoL the M16 on full auto, that would be unstopable. Its good enough without full auto, with it, nothing would get in your way...
            You mean like the M203/Gp-30?

            But seriously, BF2 is a nice "lightening up" of AA. AA is and was fantastic, but is also had it's faults. Like sitting around for 10 minutes waiting for the round to end after dying.

            Bf2 is much more arcadey than AA, but it would be nice for a little more
            useful realism to creep in.

            KBK

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            • Fall0ut

              #66
              Re: N00b t00bing ethics

              Originally posted by Kayback
              You mean like the M203/Gp-30?

              But seriously, BF2 is a nice "lightening up" of AA. AA is and was fantastic, but is also had it's faults. Like sitting around for 10 minutes waiting for the round to end after dying.

              Bf2 is much more arcadey than AA, but it would be nice for a little more
              useful realism to creep in.

              KBK
              that is why I wish everyone switched over to PR mod

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              • Kayback

                #67
                Re: N00b t00bing ethics

                Oh this BBS works like THAT does it. Right.

                Anyway, some things of the PR mod make sence ( defib's only do 50% health, at missile into heli FTW) and some things like that. However I have yet to find a local server that runs it.

                My weapon of choice, personally, is the 12guage pump(M117??). It is also an instakill weapon in CQB, but I don't mix bunny hopping with it. Thats what the CQB Noob Toobers should use for 1 shot 1 kill weapons.

                KBK

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                • Paas

                  #68
                  Re: N00b t00bing ethics

                  Oh my LORD! THis has gone too far! You people just need to quit... it's insane.

                  Let me stack this up for you people who don't seem to want to see the obvious.

                  The M203/Gp-30 is the balancing factor for Assault. We have NOTHING else to compare to the "Insane" accuracy of the carbines in this game. Our rifles are outclassed by all other classifications. Hell, even the shotgun has a better chance of netting a kill in a combat situation than the M16/Ak-101/Ak47/G3 in this game.

                  We lose in CQB to everything BUT the medics, which we are simply on par with barely (Sure. We have armor, but the medics can run farther and heal themselves).

                  The shotgun is crazy. It will peg you with a headshot at distances of over 50m. Which is possible in reality... but, it's simply not going to me more headshot effect than a M16. Yet, it is. So, once again, we are outclassed by the Engineer!? Of all people?

                  Support. Hell, support has the insane diving ability in this game to it's advantage. So, you're pretty much screwed at long and short ranges. It gets worse when the OpFor has the PKM which hits like a tank. So, support has the one-up in CQB and Range for the most part.

                  Sniper? Pssssh! Hell, the sniper has range (Kinda). As he should (Really, he should, a M24/SVD/M95/Type Whatever should NEVER miss within' 200m when supported. Unless the cant is off). Nothing I can really say bad about this class. I mean, snipers got it rougher than we do.

                  Anti-Tank. DAO... and a pistol. Did I mention yet that the Pistol is even more accurate than the M16 at range? But, enough about the pistol. DOA. Complete close range dominace. And just because lady luck hates the M16, the DAO is even pretty effective at mid range.

                  Finally. Spec Ops. Completely outclasses everything that we have BUT the M203. I mean, at 100m in game the M16 is like the younger, adopted, brother of the M4. The M4 has better sighting, automatic fire that's equally as accurate as our single fire. And! The Spec-Ops characters can sprint about 4 seconds longer than we can.

                  So Spec-Ops outclasses our M16 with a friggin' CARBINE!? ...and let's not even factor in the G36C vs. the G3... that just makes me want to cry.

                  The only thing we have that allows assault to be a logically playable class is the M203. So, if EA was the nerf the M203 in favor or realistic charging distance, it would only make sense that all other classes should be realistically adjusted. Which would mean our M16 should outclass Anti-Tank, Engineer, Spec-Ops at LEAST. Support should be the most dominate class on the map in regards to Infantry as a M249's accuracy is comparable to an M16's at ranges under 600m with optics.

                  I could go on for days, but, the bottom line is the M203 is the only thing making assault reasonable competition. The G3 is all fine and dandy, but, at ranges beyound 100m, you're gunna' lose to almost everything else except engineer; and our deviation is so bad it won't even matter. Probably won't hit the Engineer anyways.

                  So... for the love of everything sane. Quit ya' complaining!?

                  {WP}Paas

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                  • imported_Wasp

                    #69
                    Re: N00b t00bing ethics

                    Originally posted by {WP}Paas
                    Oh my LORD! THis has gone too far! You people just need to quit... it's insane.

                    Let me stack this up for you people who don't seem to want to see the obvious.

                    The M203/Gp-30 is the balancing factor for Assault. We have NOTHING else to compare to the "Insane" accuracy of the carbines in this game. Our rifles are outclassed by all other classifications. Hell, even the shotgun has a better chance of netting a kill in a combat situation than the M16/Ak-101/Ak47/G3 in this game.

                    We lose in CQB to everything BUT the medics, which we are simply on par with barely (Sure. We have armor, but the medics can run farther and heal themselves).

                    The shotgun is crazy. It will peg you with a headshot at distances of over 50m. Which is possible in reality... but, it's simply not going to me more headshot effect than a M16. Yet, it is. So, once again, we are outclassed by the Engineer!? Of all people?

                    Support. Hell, support has the insane diving ability in this game to it's advantage. So, you're pretty much screwed at long and short ranges. It gets worse when the OpFor has the PKM which hits like a tank. So, support has the one-up in CQB and Range for the most part.

                    Sniper? Pssssh! Hell, the sniper has range (Kinda). As he should (Really, he should, a M24/SVD/M95/Type Whatever should NEVER miss within' 200m when supported. Unless the cant is off). Nothing I can really say bad about this class. I mean, snipers got it rougher than we do.

                    Anti-Tank. DAO... and a pistol. Did I mention yet that the Pistol is even more accurate than the M16 at range? But, enough about the pistol. DOA. Complete close range dominace. And just because lady luck hates the M16, the DAO is even pretty effective at mid range.

                    Finally. Spec Ops. Completely outclasses everything that we have BUT the M203. I mean, at 100m in game the M16 is like the younger, adopted, brother of the M4. The M4 has better sighting, automatic fire that's equally as accurate as our single fire. And! The Spec-Ops characters can sprint about 4 seconds longer than we can.

                    So Spec-Ops outclasses our M16 with a friggin' CARBINE!? ...and let's not even factor in the G36C vs. the G3... that just makes me want to cry.

                    The only thing we have that allows assault to be a logically playable class is the M203. So, if EA was the nerf the M203 in favor or realistic charging distance, it would only make sense that all other classes should be realistically adjusted. Which would mean our M16 should outclass Anti-Tank, Engineer, Spec-Ops at LEAST. Support should be the most dominate class on the map in regards to Infantry as a M249's accuracy is comparable to an M16's at ranges under 600m with optics.

                    I could go on for days, but, the bottom line is the M203 is the only thing making assault reasonable competition. The G3 is all fine and dandy, but, at ranges beyound 100m, you're gunna' lose to almost everything else except engineer; and our deviation is so bad it won't even matter. Probably won't hit the Engineer anyways.

                    So... for the love of everything sane. Quit ya' complaining!?

                    {WP}Paas
                    The M16 is brilliant for medium/long range. The AK is weaker long range but then again it's really tough short/medium range. It wouldn't hurt me one little bit if they put the minimum range of the grenade launcher to 20-30 meters. I prefer the power of the assault rifles anytime. This game is suppose to be set sometime in the future so why not give US assault the XM8? It would give full auto capability to that kit. About the only time I get killed by shotguns is if I'm caught by suprise. You need to get close with the DAO-12 and you usually need 3 or 4 hits. If the US engi misses with his first shot he is dead. The only benefit of the Spec Ops is the aimpoint and a slightly better accuracy than the chinese/MEC assault rifles.

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                    • Tranzphat

                      #70
                      Re: N00b t00bing ethics

                      Originally posted by Damanexor
                      You ever tried jumping out of the way?

                      Remember a noob-tuber is going to shoot the ground in front of you ... if you're not on the ground when he shoots then you won't be killed...
                      Exactly. Those that say there is no counter should get together with their clan mates and do some skills drills on the grenade launchers and then you will discover how a will time jump will make you much harder target.

                      There is a counter for everything learn it rather than complain. Complaining is for those without imagination.

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                      • Marconus

                        #71
                        Re: N00b t00bing ethics

                        This is stupid. If people are toobing than toob them back. Plain and simple. I mean, this complaining is just as stupid as you being on the american side and having an extra capped flag but still spawning at the non capped base and getting spawn killed and then complaining about it after you repeatedly respawn at that flag point over and over when you could spawn at the other one across the map (or wherever the other flag is) and whining about being 'spawn camped'. That's one situation so don't jump all over my ass on that one thing and try to be captain 'you're a noob' on me. You get my point, I hope. I hate getting toobed. I used to toob a lot. I still toob from time to time MORE so often when i'm getting toobed myself though. It's a gun for christ's sake. You want to play with only assault rifles and no explosive crap then go play CS or HEY, quit being a lazy crybaby and make a mod??? With everybody whining about the same stupid thing over and over again it would most definately become popular enough that it would be worth making. Just so you 'toob haters' know, almost every one of you are guilty of the following: Complaining about the weapon, and then turning around and using it which would make you a hypocrit when you say things like 'anyone who uses a NL is a noob' ; when you toss C4 towards enemies and quikly switch to the detonator and get frags; when you spawn kills with vehicles; when you bunny hop and are damn good at it; when you simply spawn camp. There really isnt' a problem with all of this considering this is JUST a damn game. Yeah, it's supposed to be based on real modern warfare but look at it this way - do you see people coming back to life in 15 seconds nearby a 10 foot tall flag?. Um, i dont think so. So, for those of you that love to use the line, 'this game was based on real life and is supposed to be played that way blah blah blah' just think about how stupid you sound when you say something along the lines. Believe me, i feel your pain on the whole 'toobing' issue. But seriously, it's ridiculous to make such a big issue as it has become. But hey, i can solve all of the problems i've listed. You want to kill a toober? they're sooo noob and can't aim why dont you grab a toob and shoot them faster/ more accurately than they would? Spawn killing? if there's another flag to spawn at, spawn at it. If not, act faster. i've killed spawn campers before withOUT the help of a nade launcher so i know it can be done. Vehicle camping? respawn as an anti tank. Im sure most of you have the DAO because it was so appealing what with it's features that if a soldier gets in your way of shooting down the apc or tank that you can just shred them away. Then proceed around the corner and shoot the tank. have your whole squad do this. Dont be lazy and expect your other team mates to do it just because you dont want to spend wasteful seconds - minutes on being a class that you dont get many kills with if it's not your expertise. how long are you gonna live till you get fragged again anyway? Getting C4ed a lot? Shoot them before they blow you up. You can kill them a lot faster than they can throw the bomb and detonate it. They have to get close enough to make the contact anyway so most of your bullets should hit them. And finally, i think, BUNNY HOPPING. Guys, i've got a GREAT idea. Get UT2004. You dont even have to buy it, just dl the demo and play that one level. Your accuracy will increase and you'll be able to take down those bunny hoppers with slight ease. 'Why should i do all of this just to get rid of annoyances like this?'. Look, this isn't tic tac toe or ping with simple strategies. Do your homework if you want to be good. And how often when you play does crap like this happen BESIDES the toobing?. So i've covered most of the areas taht you all complain about. Seriously though, there are so many ways to solve that ONE problem without just complaining about it. You can proceed to call me a 'noob toober' or 'uber noob supporter' if you feel the need to be ignorant.

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                        • imported_The 13th Raptor

                          #72
                          Re: N00b t00bing ethics

                          People dont like to read a wall of text like that buddy

                          God i love the word "Toob"

                          In a few years, when BF2 is out, we will have to explain the meaning of this word to all the newbies..

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                          • Fall0ut

                            #73
                            Re: N00b t00bing ethics

                            Originally posted by {WP}Paas
                            Oh my LORD! THis has gone too far! You people just need to quit... it's insane.

                            Let me stack this up for you people who don't seem to want to see the obvious.

                            The M203/Gp-30 is the balancing factor for Assault. We have NOTHING else to compare to the "Insane" accuracy of the carbines in this game. Our rifles are outclassed by all other classifications. Hell, even the shotgun has a better chance of netting a kill in a combat situation than the M16/Ak-101/Ak47/G3 in this game.

                            We lose in CQB to everything BUT the medics, which we are simply on par with barely (Sure. We have armor, but the medics can run farther and heal themselves).

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                            {WP}Paas
                            seems to me like you just really suck at this game. You say that rifles are horrible, so that is why you use ur nade launcher. That is what a n00b t00ber is and does.

                            I don't know about you, but I love my AK101. It is amazing at CQB and really good at long ranges with single shot or burst.

                            M16, though I agree, just sucks.

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                            • Bob_the_Insane

                              #74
                              Re: N00b t00bing ethics

                              He does have a point though... I mean what is the point of playing as the Assault kit? Without the NT or the uber powerful G3 what is the point? Do you get points for using smoke??

                              The ability to kill, kill, kill is the point of the assault kit. Though personally I am in with the crowd that would like to see the NT grenades be as powerful as regular grenades but with a minimum range...

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                              • Paas

                                #75
                                Re: N00b t00bing ethics

                                Originally posted by Fall0ut
                                seems to me like you just really suck at this game. You say that rifles are horrible, so that is why you use ur nade launcher. That is what a n00b t00ber is and does.

                                I don't know about you, but I love my AK101. It is amazing at CQB and really good at long ranges with single shot or burst.

                                M16, though I agree, just sucks.
                                Excuse me? I suck because I prefer to take the insta-kill at 100m with the M203 vs. going crouched and firing off half mah' mag with a 50% chance of killing the OpFor? Hmmmm... so, I suck for having good judgement?

                                Furthermore, you're right, you don't know about me. I'm very talented with all Assault Rifles. I can kill most Spec-Ops, Anti-Tank, Engineers, etc. etc. by using the tricks and secrets that I have learned. All revolving around the rifle. One of those tricks is to let mah' M203 do the talking at extended ranges, and reserve the rifle for ranges under 25m when I'm almost 100% sure throwing enough ammo on the enemy will do the job. Even though at times it doesn't...

                                ..and who in their right mind would sneak up on an OpFor and start firing at em' with the rifle? I mean, you have a m203? Why would you NOT use it. It's going to kill him instantly. And, he doesn't have a chance to fight back. Which means, you don't have to test how much damage your armor can absorb.

                                But! Since I'm talking "Black Pride to the KKK" here, I'll go ahead and attempt to help the general population with a few of mah' gameplay tips that help me survive against enemy GL's:

                                1. Look at the weapon of the enemy. If you have any disatance between you and the OpFor and his weapon is tilted up, odds are he is either reloading his m203 or has it armed. True, he could be aiming up. But, highely unlikely. Knowing what your opponet is carrying can help you better establish what distance is most effective for combat. For instance, the carbines are going to dominate long rifles up close, unless the M203 is armed in which you're are charging to your death by getting closer.

                                2. If the OpFor DOES have the M203 armed your best bet is to stay without 25-50m or him. That's what I find to be the hardest range to engage OpFor effectively with the weapon. The trajectory lends its self to flying right behind, or landing before, the enemy. Which in both cases equals a lack of a kill. Although, you're all going to have to practice distance calculation on your own time. Also, odds are, you could run into someone who is as talented with the GL as myself... and thus, range means nothing. I'm going to hit you with the dang thing. Be it 100m, 150m, 50m, or right next to me if you sneak up on me, you're gunna' die. (I pride myself on such :P)

                                3. This is the most important. People don't seem to understand how dominate our weapon truely is and they still try to go toe to toe. Don't! Run! There is nothing wrong with running away from an M203 gunner to get a better position on him. To be honest, most of mah' Assault brethern are kill whores. They will chase you into alleys, into mine-fields, heck.. they might even chase you into the firey pits of hell with the full blown intention of using the M203 to send ya' flying. Use this to your advantage. A perfect example is the First flag on Karkand. If you see someone in the street coming at the Alley that holds the ladder. Run, climb up the ladder, wait for him to come chasing you, and fill his skull with as many rounds as possible. You have to use the overagressiveness of a M203 gunner against him. Cause', frankly, if you try and go toe to toe with even a slightly talented gunner. You're gunna' just find yourself annoyed.

                                I hope this helps. Actually, I don't, because it would make the community more competitive in regards to my class. But! Since I'm tired of hearing all the moaning over a very simple to counter weapon (Albiet powerfull as hell) I'll share our weaknesses with you all.

                                ...once again. Hope these three little tips help. There are more, just present a situation and I'll let ya' know what I belevie is the best way to counter it; in regards to the M203.

                                {WP}Paas

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