I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

[vbl]

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It's quite possible to destroy a plane if your timing is impecible and the situation is perfectly set up for you.

:nod:

[Chevy-SS]

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Jets are a joke in this otherwise fabulous game. Look how easy it is for almost any class of foot soldier to take out a M1A1 tank (the most powerful battle tank in the world) then contrast that with how impossible it is for any class (except another pilot) to take out a jet.

Jets are simply too powerful and ruin many maps.

I'd like to see the Vulcan gun on the carrier mounted on a few vehicles, or at varying points on the maps, that would help.

[amstyle]

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stop bitchin!!! Flying jets is one of the most fun aspects of this game, an aspect I discovered recently. Buy a joystick and have fun. If anyone claims to be very good with the keyboard, they're lying....

[Firenze]

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Well, maybe just a little perturbed about it.

I keep seeing a common remark about "This is war, and airpower is part of it." Quite true.

But this is a simulation of war. A fun simulation, but a simplified one.

What frosts me (a little) is the ability to bomb/strafe the carriers. I guess that's a cross gripe between several threads, combining the ovewhelming airpower aspect and base camping / spawn raping.

In real life, a carrier would NEVER be so close to land, and without components of the carrier task force. You know, Destroyers, Cruisers, Frigates, Submarines? AEGIS Radar? Standard Surface to Air Missiles?

In real life, there is less than one chance in a million that an enemy aircraft would be able to get range to launch ordinance of any kind against a carrier.

An interesting twist on the game would be to add more distance to the carrier (but that would add travel time between sorties,) and add a guided missile frigate for air cover. On the offensive side, add the ability to launch anti ship missiles from aircraft, like Exocet or Harpoon cruise missiles.

A tad more realistic, don't you think?

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

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stop bitchin!!! Flying jets is one of the most fun aspects of this game, an aspect I discovered recently. Buy a joystick and have fun. If anyone claims to be very good with the keyboard, they're lying....

[Brucewillis2]

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Yeah, I tend to just play karkand and 16 player servers.

yeah buddy, same here... stick to small maps and karkland and other urban maps where there isn't any of those stupid jets.

It amazes me watching people flying for 30mins staight on a map, bomb, fly back reload, bomb, fly back reload, bomb.... for 30 mins. sad and lame.

[Real_2St0n3d]

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An interesting twist on the game would be to add more distance to the carrier (but that would add travel time between sorties,) and add a guided missile frigate for air cover. On the offensive side, add the ability to launch anti ship missiles from aircraft, like Exocet or Harpoon cruise missiles.

A tad more realistic, don't you think?

Realistic maybe, but that'd give like double travel time in the dinky-toy boats racing to the shore. When you're in that baby you're glad you don't have to travel 3 nautical miles just to make landfall, all the while being strafed by choppers and planes.. and if the enemy airpower is sufficient to keep bombing the carrier you can bet your hoop they'll suffice to sink the inflatable..

[Jungles]

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An interesting twist on the game would be to add more distance to the carrier (but that would add travel time between sorties,) and add a guided missile frigate for air cover. On the offensive side, add the ability to launch anti ship missiles from aircraft, like Exocet or Harpoon cruise missiles.

A tad more realistic, don't you think?

Alternatively...

Improve the Phalanx and Sea Sparrow combination on the carrier. The Phalanx is suppose to be a fully automated 20mm gatling gun, while the Sea Sparrow is a radar-guided short-range missile. The Phalanx should do more damage, have a higher firing rate and spread, or even become fully automated (no human player necessary), while the Sea Sparrow should also do more damage, have longer range, and be immune to flares.

That might make the carriers too strong though. But on the flip side, airfields could have stronger air defences too. How many military airfields are defended by one Stinger emplacement?

[Hytham2028]

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First of all, air power does dominate certain aspects of the game, however as a religious apache pilot, i have to say i have often been taken down by the odd anti tank spree, (btw i have got 50 kills in the apache due to "road kills" can n e one enlighten me?) and i believe that you are actually talking out of your backside. either you just run straight in front of them like some dumb**** fool or ur just rubbish at the game.

[Real_2St0n3d]

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heli's are not the overpowered units, planes are what the topic's about imo

[Jungles]

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Yes, helis are fine. There are many ways to kill helis -- other helis, AT, M203/GP30, C4, APC, tanks, etc.

But you can't kill jets without another jet, or a very lucky shot from an AA emplacement. Usually, AA missile-ers end up getting bombed off the map anyway before they're able to fire a shot.

[Flares]

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What was really funny was when I was the Chinese on Wake Island I flew over the enemy carrier and saw 6 guys waiting in the area for the cobra.

So I dode the carrier's AA guns and drop two bombs right in the cobra area killing all 6 of them lol. I was shocked I noticed it.

Strafing with your jet's cannons and killing them all in one pass is far more satisfying...

Jets are great. Achieving air superiority to win a battle is one of the more realistic aspects of the game, as is the poor performance of the Igla's and Stingers.
I enjoy flying jets, and when on the ground, feel a warm glow when I know veteran pilots are in the air protecting the grunts and sticking it to the other side.
The only thing wrong with the jets is when one team has n00bs flying them, but that's life and I don't really know what can be done to stop less able pilots wasting the air power. Maybe a rank and joystick detection code? Low rank and no stick and you're locked out.

[SpeedyGonzales]

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I know you all probably think I'm just saying this because I'm not a pilot...maybe that's true, but here me out. Airpower is just ripping apart this game. If the other time has 1 more good pilot than yours, first off, any strategy or team work becomes impossible. If you are getting shot at by a sniper you can take cover in an area where he can't get you, and perhaps sneak up behind him. If you see a tank coming, you can run to an area where it can't get you. But when there's airpower in the game all you can do is get in the AA, get in another aircraft, or die. AA is luck as far as I can see, and airpower...well, what the heck kind of strategy or teamwork could you use there? Aircraft is just about aim and experience as far as I can see. Second, where's this rock paper scissors system EA speaks of? If air is paper, what are the scissors? AA misses 90% of the time, and gets a team kill another 7% for no logical reason. Meanwhile it just takes one quick swoop from the heli or jet and that AA is blown to bits. Worst of all is the ability they have to repair. If you damage a heli or jet (damage a jet, aren't I hiliarous), you can get it off your teams back for a few seconds, but get no credit for your help. Fourth, airpower has no reflection on the skill of who it kills, just on the one doing the killing, unlike infantry, tanks, and maybe even AA. It is just like artillery, you simply need to stay out of large crowds and hope to god you get lucky. I don't have anything against pilots. I don't blame them for using airpower while it is there, but the airpower is just taking so much out of the game.

I agree,,

The only map I liked playing is Karkand, and its gotten so old and
repetitive I barely play it anymore... moved on to Wake last week but
all the chopper and jet kiddies spam anything that moves, including
more often than not, their own teammates.

AIRPOWER in BF2 is ridiculous.. a tank shell hits a chopper and it just
smokes a little, lmfao... get real..

chopper and jet spam ruin BF2, imo...game has gotten boring in
just a matter of 7 weeks... and the same ole 11-12 maps , aye.

I wish BF2 was more skill based.. its funny how when these chopper
and ket kiddies have to bail out, they suck so bad with a rifle in their
hands..

[hollowpoint367]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

Well, maybe just a little perturbed about it.

I keep seeing a common remark about "This is war, and airpower is part of it." Quite true.

But this is a simulation of war. A fun simulation, but a simplified one.

What frosts me (a little) is the ability to bomb/strafe the carriers. I guess that's a cross gripe between several threads, combining the ovewhelming airpower aspect and base camping / spawn raping.

In real life, a carrier would NEVER be so close to land, and without components of the carrier task force. You know, Destroyers, Cruisers, Frigates, Submarines? AEGIS Radar? Standard Surface to Air Missiles?

In real life, there is less than one chance in a million that an enemy aircraft would be able to get range to launch ordinance of any kind against a carrier.

An interesting twist on the game would be to add more distance to the carrier (but that would add travel time between sorties,) and add a guided missile frigate for air cover. On the offensive side, add the ability to launch anti ship missiles from aircraft, like Exocet or Harpoon cruise missiles.

A tad more realistic, don't you think?

Yes; neither would jets operate so slow low and close as they do in BF2 though. We're down in the weeds traveling barely 300 knots (estimated), with terrible, terrible missiles and even worse flight physics and no computer-calculated hocus pocus such as CCRP or CCIP for bombs.

They should add two kinds of missiles, AMRAAMs such as the AIM-120B and AIM-9Ms (what we currently have).

But that would make it too 'simmy' for people that want it nice and dumbed-down/padded-room style.

[iewgnem]

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It takes skill to fly the jet well, most people flying the jet I have seen bombs wayyy off target. Its the helicopters thats annoying, capping flags, spawn camping. Jets kill those pests.

I dont know how many times people said this. If you think it takes NO SKILL to fly the jet and kill you N times, why dont you grab a jet and fly it. Since it take no skill to fly it why arent you getting 30 kill and killing everything coming from the carrier? I have seen people like you thinking its easy to fly, grab the JSF and fly in straight lines, they are luck they even make it to shore.

Stop whining and get used to it, before long you will whine about anything that kill you that you dont know how to use.