I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

[Roger Smith]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

the problem isnt that air power is too good, its that aa missiles suck. as long as a jet is doing hard turns it cant be hit by anti air missiles, im not just talking about ground based aa, jet combat in general is crap. you can lead your enemy, you can use the cannon, as long as the enemy is doing a contenuous hard turn, there is nothing that will hurt them.

[rippy]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

i dont think airpower is ruining the game and love seeing a aircraft coming in a dropping its payload while im running for cover its war surely! these aircraft are a major part of war and they do dominate, i would rather see a aircraft with slightly more payload and when its ready for repair/resupply make them land before they can go back again, it wouldnt slow them down much as they would have more bombs but landing will take more skill etc

[Heartless_]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

There is a reason in real life why stealths take out radar, sam sites, and so forth. Jets get owned hardcore by them.

If actual tactics were required then infantry would have to take out land based AA before the jets could just own the map.

Nerfing aircraft would go a long ways to balancing this turd.

[Flare]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

without planes bf2 would be almost pointless. i only ever use them really. the whole point is that planes are supposed to dominate and rip the hell out of anyone. what needs to be done in this game is to take out all of the infantry stuff and replace that with something that is actually fun.

[Harmor]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

Look at the Top 20 Jet pilots vs. the Top 20 Air Defense jockeys and you'll see the widest difference in scores.

Jet pilots can have easily 50:1 K/D ratios while Air Defense jockeies would be lucky to have a 3:1 K/D ratio.

As a jet pilot I can kill you before you get a lock on me. I do a circle, you get a partial lock, I see where you are and then I come at you from a very steep angle from a direction that you're not expecting - you're dead.

The best Air Defense jockeys are those that GET OUT OF THE AA when planes are flying. They pre-aim and wait for a jet pilot to come by or fly over.

There are a bunch of techniques to shoot down jets that I won't go over here (they are explained a very good thread in the Tip & Tricks section), but an average pilot is MUCH more successful than the average Air Defense jockey.



AA had their RANGE reduced in the patch (I think 400m instead of 550m).

AA won't damage friendlies if that's all there is in the area, but if you have a lock and loose the lock in-flight then it WILL lock onto the nearest friendly.

Unless your target is coming directly at you, the best way to hit a target is when they are flying away from you.


The best thing they could do to fix AA is just have them explode within 10m of them. Too many times the missiles just fly by...



IMO AA should be on par with the effectiveness of Anti-tank vs. Armor.

[simon73]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

yes the lad has a point. However, with out good air support the game maybe a little rubbish i feel. I would like to see only one plane each side with loads of blackhawks that would be much more fun to try and get onto islands. I also think the ground defence is much better since the patch came out as well even so it fecked up the isp making it slower and slower until i got kicked.

[K.I.A.]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

Go on foot...... Pilots usually look for AA>Stationary Vehicles>Moving Vehicles>People. Your ordinary infrantry is last on the list, so you'll have better chances of surviving against a good pilot on foot. No matter how good he is he cant spot you unless he dips low, in which case will be hard to kill you with bombs or guns.

Yes, the maps are huge though......

[TooL]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

Why don't you stop whining about the damn jets and learn how to fly yourself. You can't sit here and fault someone for being good at the game - that's what the game presents. Try stealing the enemies planes - that's a good way to keep them out of the skies! :evil:

[Yezo]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

I'm sorry masskiller your wrong. There is one single maneuver that a missile cannot trace, and thats a barrol role. And for all you noobs a barrol role isnt hold left, or right keys so it turns around like a tard. A true barrol role is holding the down key, and the left or right key, so it makes a corkscrew type motion.

Missiles (In BF2) cannot follow that path, they simply can't. 100% of the time if i'm locked on, I do that maneuver and I evade all the time.

I'm an absolute horrible pilot, I can't bomb worth crap, I'm decent at hitting other planes down, but evading in this game is rediculous, you only need to know 1 maneuver, and its totaly immaculate.

EDIT: However you could probably definatly be able to kill me in the USS Essex thing, that can take down anything for it can launch missiles non stop and it has a bad as$ cannon (but if we agreed not to use that essex, or use the essex but not the gun, I could dodge the missiles all day, holding down and left/right keys works 100% of the time.)

Of course there is 1 manuver that messes up AA. I'm an experienced pilot, I know a barrell roll with a hard break will mess up the AA, but you dont seem to realize that there is a way around that. The missle trace range and box are equivilant to that of a small box on your crosshair. You can fire 1 at the roll and 2nd one at the break.

And a barrelll roll isn't left and right keys unless you rebound the keys to such. Its the horizontal motion of your mouse and or horizontal placement (X axis) of your joystick.

The average bind is mouse horizontal movement.

AA has improved in the game, though stingers need to utilize strategic offensives such as not staying in the damn thing and waiting till a jet comes along. People just say they increased its velocity when they also increased the tracebox from the missles path, and or viewport actor (as they named it in the code)

[Seal]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

Well, as they say: If you can't beat them, Join them.

[Real_2St0n3d]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

paper/scissor/rock.. planes being a big, bad mofo of a rock, which can only be seriously threathened by a bigger, meaner rock.

us paper/scissors/small rocks are just along for the ride to up his score.

that's mainly why I leave those maps to jetwhores usually and play somewhere else.. sad really as I like some maps lay-out, just the planes..

[imported_Psycho]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

I'm the scissors.

[Blud]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

At least give the server admins on option. They control locks, kicks ect. Why not have a jets or no jets option??
BTW, it's not so much that there are jets in the game, it's those pilots that do the circle bombing, base raping and repeat it and repeat it on and on while the AAs just pass them by.
The other option would be that the plane must land to rearm/repair and it would take a minimum of 3 minutes to do so.

[Real_2St0n3d]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

that'd be too much in the other direction.

I fail to see why Dice did not include shoulder mounted stingers, they proved it possible when they made Desert Combat, and now took a giant leap backwards by excluding them.

heck, even a handfull 'swapkits' on the map where you can swap your vanilla kit with an AA stinger kit would be helping a ton!

[FFSConman]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

I dont think it ruins the game. Personally your only seeing it as so, because the blunt fact is you su*k and frequently get owned by flying planes that are weak as **** in the fact 2 missles from the cobra can kill it.

If you cant fly and help your team defend thats your fault, and I'll personally straight up call you S*up*d. Why? Because I had to learn how to fly to help my team in the air, and now I consider myself pretty good at it.

Honestly, your comments are out of line. He is correct in that the balance of the game is slightly tilted towards airpower. If jets were so easy to kill no-one would be flying them, but in reality there will be players waiting at the runway to get into one ALL ROUND. Just to further the point reagarding airpower: Lastnite Gulf of Oman map, I hit, at 75-100m, a hovering Cobra with a 120mm tank round on his broadside. What happens, well he turns and kills me in the tank. Even after v1.03 the game is still out of balance. No helo ever made survives that.