I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

I disagree.

The better pilot's supriority will become even clearer. Average pilots will not be able to fly for more then a minute tops if you'll reduce the better one's life expectancy by a quarter.

It was the same in bf1942, and pilots learned to grow up just fine..

[Cpt_Chris]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

i think pilots should have their own class, so they are the only ones that can fly, and all they git is a pistol,claymore,and a smoke grenade

[Vasquez]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

i think pilots should have their own class, so they are the only ones that can fly, and all they git is a pistol,claymore,and a smoke grenade

Wouldn't work. You'd get half the side coming on as pilot-class so that they can fly (Because, obviously flying a plane is classier ), and given that there's only ever a few aircraft, the rest would be S*** Outta Luck.

A better idea would be to improve the air-defense capabilities of ground-based equipment. Not too much, but just enough to worry even a seasoned pilot.

[=HzC=7PlaGues]

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i would like to see the plane spawn times longer, so they dont appear as quickly.i have noticed playing on alot of servers that certain people just stick to flying a plane and just bomb spawn areas over and over..i dont know how that is fun, but it get aggravating..so i can see the thread starters point behind his post...

[stormwolf]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

It was the same in bf1942, and pilots learned to grow up just fine..

I haven't played BF1942.

BFV was harder for pilots by all means. Guess what. I found the way to die no more then once or twice in a round from ground fire.

Trying to find the solution for the air suppriority by skills, training and tactics, is as grown up as finding the way to not get hit by ground missiles in BFV by the same maseaures.

Ditch whining - chose skills.

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

I haven't played BF1942.

BFV was harder for pilots by all means. Guess what. I found the way to die no more then once or twice in a round from ground fire.

Trying to find the solution for the air suppriority by skills, training and tactics, is as grown up as finding the way to not get hit by ground missiles in BFV by the same maseaures.

Ditch whining - chose skills.

There is no amount of skills, training or tactics i could employ to take down a plane from the ground. And im not going to fly, its always been possible to kill aircraft from the ground in BF1942 (flak, machineguns), BF:V (Flak, sa-7, quad .50). BF2 only has bugged stingers, thats not right.

Its not whining, its complaining, get it right.

[stormwolf]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

There is no amount of skills, training or tactics i could employ to take down a plane from the ground. And im not going to fly, its always been possible to kill aircraft from the ground in BF1942 (flak, machineguns), BF:V (Flak, sa-7, quad .50). BF2 only has bugged stingers, thats not right.

Its not whining, its complaining, get it right.

Man. You seemed to have missed something I wrote. After I have trained myself to avoid any ground fire in BFV - you had no real chance of taking me down with it. Period. I never landed to repair my self ("hey! let them land in order to repair!") yet I still got killed by ground fire no more then once or twice in a round. And what a joy naplam was on Irving... (no enemy jets, just flakes and SA7 which were generally quite effective - just not on a skilled pilot).

When you say "and pilots learned to grow up just fine" - that's whining... The rest is complaining as you said.

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

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Man. You seemed to have missed something I wrote. After I have trained myself to avoid any ground fire in BFV - you had no real chance of taking me down with it. Period. I never landed to repair my self ("hey! let them land in order to repair!") yet I still got killed by ground fire no more then once or twice in a round. And what a joy naplam was on Irving... (no enemy jets, just flakes and SA7 which were generally quite effective - just not on a skilled pilot).

When you say "and pilots learned to grow up just fine" - that's whining... The rest is complaining as you said.

I think you were playing against a bunch of noobs in BF:V in that case, since if you can bomb them with the napalm, they should have been able to shoot you. with the ZSU AND the SA-7 (even if the sa-7 guy would be dead/dying).

And no, its not whining, its another way of saying "pilots learned just fine in bf1942 even tho flying over a manned flak gun would kill them in 4 seconds."

[puglous]

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One of the solution to the air suppriority is quite simple - spot the enemy jets for god sakes! When ever you have the chance - spot. If infintrey used spotting for jets as often as they could, they'd make the enemy jet visible to your team's jets almost constantly. So yet again, if ground forces would use their assets better, there would be no whining over jets (spotting a jet is a HUGE asset).

Spotting jets is useless, because they move so fast it doesn't matter where they are at the time of the spotting. Besides, they are always visible anyway. They're huge and can't hide behind anything.

There is no amount of skills, training or tactics i could employ to take down a plane from the ground. And im not going to fly, its always been possible to kill aircraft from the ground in BF1942 (flak, machineguns), BF:V (Flak, sa-7, quad .50). BF2 only has bugged stingers, thats not right.

Exactly. I'm not going to even bother to back this up, half the pilots here are just posting dogmas, it's their turn to back up what they say.

[Paas]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

without planes bf2 would be almost pointless. i only ever use them really. the whole point is that planes are supposed to dominate and rip the hell out of anyone. what needs to be done in this game is to take out all of the infantry stuff and replace that with something that is actually fun.

Wow!? So, you can spawn in as either a Tank or a APC? Is that what you're saying?

You would prefer there be almost no infantry and all vehicles?

{WP}Paas

[stormwolf]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

I think you were playing against a bunch of noobs in BF:V in that case, since if you can bomb them with the napalm, they should have been able to shoot you. with the ZSU AND the SA-7 (even if the sa-7 guy would be dead/dying).

And no, its not whining, its another way of saying "pilots learned just fine in bf1942 even tho flying over a manned flak gun would kill them in 4 seconds."

"since if you can bomb them with the napalm, they should have been able to shoot you" - that's a noob pilot speaking. You have no idea. Really. By saying that, you just make it clear to me you are lacking the will to strengthen your skills when odds are against you. Odds were against me in BFV. At the begining I got shot down quite often by ground fire. I was ****ed, like you are. Then I kept thinking and found a way to break away from ground fire.
I actually have in mind a very simple tactic to make AA as it is now in BF2 much more problematic for pilots. So far I am suprise no one seems to be using it. But I'm not going to make your life easier of course.

By the way, you are aware that in 1942 there were no jets, thus flakes were more effective...

[stormwolf]

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Spotting jets is useless, because they move so fast it doesn't matter where they are at the time of the spotting. Besides, they are always visible anyway. They're huge and can't hide behind anything.

You sure you are talking about Battefield 2?
Seriously - I find jets the easiest to spot - they just fly all over the skys without any obsticles to hide around - just spot and click ("They're huge and can't hide behind anything.")

" Besides, they are always visible anyway." - not to your team's jets. And that's the point of this. Make them visible on radar for your team's jets so they can engage them.

[bureauboy]

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I'm also sick of those fancy fly boys! Helly's are great and you can take them down no problem with AA, but a jet in the hands of a good pilot will kill time and time again. When this happens I go special ops, sick some C4 on their killing machines, wait till the god of the skys gets in one and WHAM! right back at ya!

[Yezo]

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You sure you are talking about Battefield 2?
Seriously - I find jets the easiest to spot - they just fly all over the skys without any obsticles to hide around - just spot and click ("They're huge and can't hide behind anything.")

" Besides, they are always visible anyway." - not to your team's jets. And that's the point of this. Make them visible on radar for your team's jets so they can engage them.

This is true about me. If someone spots a jet for me I suddenly for no apparent reason go after him.

I dont know how many times in a game I've been involved in a major ariel battle. Just on wake today it was 2 J10s and 2 F35Bs and 1 F18 all in ariel combat. It was all hell up there because missles kept flying into anything else moving besides jets. IT turned into a battle of the machine guns.

[Capt.Hook]

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Im not biased toward ground forces or air, I like playing them all so I am going to say it as I see it.

Most people on this thread have a point in context to their own experiences. I have played some games where both sides have good pilots and they spend most of the game brawling each other. I have also played games where one side has a load of idiots stealing planes to bail out quick over flags while the other team rules the sky and burns the land. Its all just luck of the drawn, whether you fly or ride or stomp.

BUT AA ground emplacements do have a problem now, the visual range is simply to short. By the time an aircraft even a chopper is in visual range the target lock takes so long it has passed. Or by the time target lock is acquired and a second or two is give to allow chaff to be deployed (as people always do in a panic) then again its out of range. Its no good firing when chaff floating about. I have shot down choppers but NEVER a jet, flag jumper or a pro. This is simply what I have found.

What could 'they' do to improve it? speed up target lock/ increase visual range, make AA missiles better, by having more solid and reliable AA it will not stop airpower but it will sperate the boys from the men in the pilots seat. Chaff and manovours would needed to be used tactically. Helios would also play a more traditional role of hide below the AA's view pop out and blast it as opposed to take it on the chin and fly of for repairs.