EMP grenades

[« R²» P§I]

dude will you guys stop with the stupid lock crap? you're almost inviting some mod to lock it. i'm sick of locked threads, so stop bringing your dancing locks into the threads.

Ok with comments like that you are asking them to be locked:shakehead: Everythread about this subject has been locked if you care to know.

Actually psi tht is not an official explanation. That comes from a web site run by gamers to help other gamers out according to the link you supplied and the complete answer is VERY vague. Sorry that is not the answer.

Sorry it is the answer,OK Since you must have a official answer, when i said in my post EA basically said the same thing. Straight from the horses mouth. Even though their answers are always vague, its basically saying what i already quoted. I am working on a offical answer like the TR guys said. Sorry i was being lazy and didnt feel like making a image for you before.


Again i quote:

If the player in question is using the EMP's to effectively blind/disable the enemy so that his teammates can complete or capture an objective then that would qualify for legitimate gameplay usage of the equipment.

Guys if you don't appreciate my position don't ever come to a Timeless server cause your sure to get banned if you don't obey server rules.

You know maybe its my age. I am over twice as old as most of the people on this forum. Perhaps I have a different perspective on certain things.

I doubt it is the age either cause I am right up their with you.
Well the things is, everyone knows your opinion on the Timeless servers, I am sure most wont ever visit it due to your PR here. Hell i wouldn't. Hell i never heard of the servers until recently.I guess the reason why is its a FF off deal thats invites all the rdx spammers. BUT wait thats a legit tactic too.
Their is a fine line in between being a good admin and being a Nazi. Its ok for your community, thats great but not for this one as you have seen.

Their is no official ROE/ROC for 2142. But yet when you label someone as a stat padder using a lame tactic is wrong. Its called point whoring,spamming but far from stat padding points.
Their is so many gray area of this rule of yours but you allow other things that allow you to gain more points. I just don't get it.

Cause it doesnt matter what anyone says, i.e( EA,DICE,TR), it still your guys servers, and you can do basically what you want as long as it isnt a k&p server.
I'll let raidyr have at it now, have fun.

[GoodZa]

But, taking out the commander assets is part of the game... However, doing it over and over and over and over... should get you banned.

here here

as long as ea doesnt whipe your stats for it im pretty sure i can throw a emp wherever i want to. but i do agree over doing the assets is padding.

like i said before if your doing it to take out the uav while the rest of your squad attacks the titan above i thinks that resonable because then the enemy cannot use their uav while its getting emp'd.

btw: commanders: if you have your emp charged and dont have anything to use it on or if your teams attacking the enemy titan emp their assets, doing it to the uav is the most helpful for your team as stated above

to tell you the truth i dont really care about the medals as being commander on the winning team you'll get the gold everytime and to me thats just not fair. it should go the the guy whose been running his *** off all round killing and capping flags/silos so you can get the win for your damn gold. i think its cheap how the commander get a ribbon

they should have medals that only commanders are eligible for. and make it so you have to have like a min of 75points after the 2x for the win. so then you would get "commander excellence medal"(as i'll call it) and then the guy whose be playing his as off for you get the gold that he deserves


just a thought

[Wizrdwarts]

It's more spamming to get points than statspadding when used against infantry, some servers may kick, some may not.

[Minmaster]

wait, so assets that are being EMP'd cannot be used? haven't heard of that one before...

so there is a point to EMPing the assets, other than to statpad?

[Fingulfin]

Their is no official ROE/ROC for 2142.

Whats this then?

[« R²» P§I]

Whats this then?

Thats the summed up version from BF2, if anyone remembers the ROE was a pretty long document. Since they wanted to be lazy and not rewrite one they cut all the stuff that pertained BF2 out and made this sloppy version of ROC for both games.

Since the 2 games are different, they decided to just make a slim version, but it really doesnt do any justice for BF2 or 2142.

For those that care here is the ROE before it was trimmed down.

The following are the official Rules Of Engagement for Battlefield 2 and supercede any you may have read prior to this date. This announcement will be duplicated across all EA Battlefield outlets and as such are the only official outlets for rule updates and modifications. Any changes to the Rules Of Engagement will be made simultaneously across official channels.

RULES OF ENGAGEMENT (ROE)

RANKED SERVERS – AN OVERVIEW
The ranked server program and ranking system introduced by DICE and EA for Battlefield 2 is designed to promote a system of statistics gathering and rewards for BF2 players on a level playing field in which players can expect the same standard configuration and playing environment on any ranked server they play on. These standards are achieved and maintained by ensuring that all server providers and server administrators are abiding by a common set of rules as determined by EA.

1. RULES AND POLICIES FOR TRUSTED PARTNERS / SERVER HOST PROVIDERS
Dice and EA are limiting trusted server software distribution to our network of Trusted Partners in order to protect the integrity of the code system. We want everyone to be able to play Ranked Servers if they choose. It is imperative that all of these Rules and Policies be adhered to in order to create a level playing field for everyone.

1.1 Server Configuration

1.1.1 Ranked Servers have a number of settings hard-coded so that users cannot adjust them. These settings are all set as below to keep the competition on Ranked servers balanced across all providers:

minPlayers: 16+ (minimum server size is 16 players)

sv.password = “” (empty string - Ranked servers may not be password protected. Ranked servers are intended to be available to all players.)

sv.numPlayersNeededToStart = (6 for 16-31 maxPlayers, 10 for 32-64)

sv.spawnTime 15

sv.manDownTime 15

sv.ticketRatio 100

sv.teamRatioPercent 100

sv.punkBuster 1

1.1.2 Though it is not required, we also request that all servers run Friendly Fire at 100% for all settings, including mines (sv.friendlyFireWithMines).

1.2 Server Content

1.2.1 Ranked servers must be entirely "pure" with no customization outside of the default content shipped by DICE/EA. Ranked servers are not allowed to run customised games or Mods, as we cannot ensure the balance of these components.

1.2.2 Whenever there is a new patch released Ranked Partners are required to upgrade their servers.

Ranked servers are not to run upcoming content early nor out of date content.

1.3 Server Access

1.3.1 BF2CC may be used to access and adjust server settings not defined above but hosts must be able to demonstrate that the ranked server code is secure – no FTP access or other direct access to the files is allowed.

1.4 Maps

1.4.1 Custom maps are never permitted on ranked servers, although we do permit map sizes to be defined independently of maximum players.

2. RULES AND POLICIES FOR ALL SERVER ADMINISTRATORS MANAGING RANKED SERVERS (PUBLIC OR PRIVATE)
These are rules and policies that all people running ranked servers are expected to observe. Failure to do so can result in the server being delisted.

2.1 Copyright Infringements and Advertising

2.1.1 Server Administrators may not arrange for the exchange or transfer of any pirated software, distribution of copyrighted software or CD keys or other contraband while on any Ranked Servers.

2.1.2 Server Administrators may not market, promote or advertise other services or products on any ranked servers (excluding trusted partners and in game server messages).

2.2 Game Setting Changes

2.2.1 Server Administrators may not change any server settings preset by EA (as listed above).

2.2.2 Server Administrators may not load up custom maps or modifications to Ranked Servers.

2.2.3 TK Punish must be active (i.e. not “off”), but can be set to automatically punish or to allow players to punish/forgive by voting.

2.3 “In-House” Ranked Server Rules

Public Ranked Servers and Private rented clan servers may introduce custom rules that apply only to their servers and which result in minor changes to gameplay. These “in-house” rules are allowed as long as they do not violate the conditions of use of a ranked server as determined by DICE and EA and as long as they are explicitly announced in the server description or on the loading screen, so that players joining the server are aware of them before they start playing.

2.3.1 Disallowed “In-House” Ranked Server Rules:

Server Administrators may not implement or enforce server rules on ranked servers that prohibit players from using any roles, kits, weapons, vehicles or other features of the game while playing on their server. Examples of such rules that would violate the conditions of use are:

(a) Preventing any players from being Commander or Squad Leaders.

(b) Preventing any players from using certain vehicles such as jets, helicopters or tanks.

(c) Preventing any players from using commander assets (artillery, vehicle drop, UAV or scans).

(d) Preventing any players from using certain weapons or items (such as flashbangs or C4) or enforcing a “pistol only” or “knife only” server rule.

2.3.2 Allowed “In-House” Ranked Server Rules:

Server Administrators may implement and enforce rules that result in minor changes to gameplay behaviour or styles as long as these are clearly stated before a player starts playing on a server. These rules typically introduce minor restrictions on how a certain aspect of the game can be used.

Examples of such rules that are acceptable are:

(a) Players may not use explicit, offensive or racist language in-game.

(b) Players may not impersonate clan members or other server administrators.

(c) Players may not deliberately performing actions that hinder their own team (such as last-minute team-swapping to increase scores or statistics, excessive team-killing, destroying friendly vehicles, attacking team-mates,

deliberately placing themselves in a situation so they cause another player to team-kill them, using a vehicle while being the Commander that prevents them from performing any Commander functions (jet, etc.) or placing vehicles to block their own runways.

(d) Making attacks on enemy main bases (flags that cannot be captured), including artillery strikes, vehicle drops to block runways, bombing runs with aircraft or sustained infantry attacks. (Note that specific attacks targeting the enemy commander’s asset buildings are always allowed, even if they are within the enemy main base.)

(e) Using transport helicopters to quickly capture all flags with no attempt to engage the other team (flag hopping).

(f) Using C4 explosives on fast-moving vehicles to destroy other vehicles (C4-ramming)

(g) Ignoring requests from Server Administrators or abusing Server Administrators.

3. RULES AND POLICIES APPLYING TO ALL PLAYERS ON RANKED SERVERS.
The following rules are ones that players are expected to abide by while playing on ranked servers. Any use of third-party programs or game exploits not listed below should be reported through one of the channels listed below.

3.1 Use of Cheats or Hacks

3.1.1 Players may not change (hack) any core games files or effectively change game settings by employing external programs or cheats for the purposes of giving themselves an unfair advantage over other players. This would include but not limited to:

(a) *** and other 3rd party software.

(b) Modification of weapons code, aka Tank turrets exploit.

(c) CVAR hacks which would make players appear Neon

(d) CVAR hacks that let players see thru walls or buildings

(e) Mini-Map hack so all players are visible

(f) Modification of Player Names which would alter their size or colors.

3.2 Game Exploits

3.2.1 Players may not use or exploit game mechanisms to artificially boost their score ("stats padding") and Server administrators may not knowingly allow or encourage this activity on their servers.

This would include but not limited to:

(a) Using tag teams to take turns to kill and revive each other in turn (using knives, pistols, etc.)

(b) Playing on Knife and/or Pistol only Servers

(c) Playing on Knife only Servers

(d) Playing on “High Points” Servers

(e) Playing on “No Artillery” or “No Armour” Servers (except when using Infantry only server-side option)

(f) Using Vehicles removed from battlefield for purposes of artificially inflating points

(g) Turning boats upside down and constantly repairing them

(h) Glitching inside buildings (using building model glitches to attack out without risk of being hit).

4. REPORTING VIOLATIONS OF THE ROE

Anyone who observes violations of the ROE based upon server rules or player actions should report these violations (with screenshots) as soon as possible.

Any action taken against players or Server Administrators will be taken by EA and may include having ranked servers being delisted (unranked) or having player accounts reset to remove all global points and awards.

Violations (or suspected violations) can be reported to any of the following authorised groups:

EA Support: http://support.ea.com/

Punkbuster: Cheats, hacks or exploits can be reported to research [at] evenbalance [dot] com

[Catziggy]

Well psi and raidyr its clear that you are arguing against the person and not the topic. That's fine. Anyone entering a debate can become disoriented if they find someones opinion personally objectionable.

I am not going to get into arguments about whether you want to come to Timeless servers or not. A LOT of the BF2142 community play on Timeless servers everyday. (Thanks for that guys)

Anyways. Let me quote you from the official response from EA "Other situations may need to be investigated for potential abuse".

SURELY that is the whole argument I have made right from the very beginning?

I HAVE NEVER SAID that throwing EMP grenades is stat padding. NOT ONCE.

I HAVE said that using them to gain unwarranted points (such as throwing them against inanimate objects that belong to the other team) or using them to gain extra points just to earn a medal regardless of the benefit to the team is questionable. I think many players and forum members can understand that argument.

If you go to the Timelessgaming forum you can see the "I am banned why" and the "Cheaters and Glitchers" sections. There you can see the sort of things people are banned for.

I am a JUNIOR in game admin at Timeless. Therefore I have a senior admin that governs my account and actions. I would soon lose my responsibilities if I made any action that brought the Timeless servers into disrepute.

[Raidyr]

Well psi and raidyr its clear that you are arguing against the person and not the topic. That's fine. Anyone entering a debate can become disoriented if they find someones opinion personally objectionable.

Frankly, I dont give 2 ****s for Ezekiel. The only way I know him is on these forums, and while I would say that he is an alright guy, I am not going to defend him if he was really statpadding. Which he wasn't

I refuse to address the rest of your post on the grounds that you are an idiot.

Good day to you, sir.

[Catziggy]

Raidyr. Just out of interest. Whats's your in game name so I might look at your stats?

I found this player with your name but I guess that isn't you because this player does not have enouh games under his belt to have the opinions you express.

http://www.2142-stats.com/raidyr+stats.html

[Raidyr]

Raidyr. Just out of interest. Whats's your in game name so I might look at your stats?

I found this player with your name but I guess that isn't you because this player does not have enouh games under his belt to have the opinions you express.

http://www.2142-stats.com/raidyr+stats.html

Judging from what you have said over the past days, it is fair to assume I have much more experience than you.

Not to mention 3 other characters.

Try harder next time, elitist moron :\

[Catziggy]

Okay No need to answer.

Do you admin by the way? It is interesting your judgemental about admins decisions and thought processes. I wonder where the basis from your arguments comes from?

[Raidyr]

Oh man I love irony.

After checking out Catziggys stats (get off the computer once in awhile, mkay?), I went into the server he was in, Timeless Titan. So I wanted to see what he was doing. I went to his team, found he was in a squad, joined up. That entire game all they did was repair and use the Titan guns. He had a 48 score, with 40-something teamwork and around 6 kills, no deaths of course. Round ends, I join their squad again. His buddy is bragging about his 1337-repair-whore skillz.

I left, but I will repeat what I said before:

How many repair points should you get before it is considered padding?

Sound familiar?

Oh, you want MORE irony? How about Catziggy keeps wanting to talk about the "topic on hand", but his last, what, 3 or so replies have been nothing but talking about MY stats and MY experience in the game.

I feel nice this morning, so I will answer your question: No, I have no administrated a 2142 server, but I have adminned many other games before.

[Catziggy]

OK LOL I think in other threads I have stated several times I whore the titan guns etc. I am a home maker... a stay at home dad... so i can do that whilst still caring for and amusing my son.

I don't make any issue about people w.h.o.r.i.n.g stuff. never have. Not my issue or problem. The other player Horn3t1971 is probably No 1 enemy in the world to you then. He has a lightning fast pc that loads the map while you and I are still watching the white line go gracefully up and he grabs seat no 3 every round. As soon as the shields go down or the titan is positioned he cannot maximise gun 3's potential he grabs his RDx and bunny hops and spams the stuf like no-ones business. He gets a medal every game and usually gold.

And?

YOU have made this personal. I have been rational and trying to show any arguments or points I am discussing to be factual and balanced. I REALLY don't think you have done yourself any favours and I seriously think your not as old as you say. Neither do i think your as experienced as you make out. In truth I think your just opinionated to a point where your emotions cloud your logic.

Anyway... What was the subject? LOL

[Raidyr]

The other player Horn3t1971 is probably No 1 enemy in the world to you then. He has a lightning fast pc that loads the map while you and I are still watching the white line go gracefully up and he grabs seat no 3 every round. As soon as the shields go down or the titan is positioned he cannot maximise gun 3's potential he grabs his RDx and bunny hops and spams the stuf like no-ones business. He gets a medal every game and usually gold.

While I dont particularly like players like this (doubt any REAL player does), I would rather have him doing that ingame than a hypocrite crying on these forums.

YOU have made this personal. I have been rational and trying to show any arguments or points I am discussing to be factual and balanced. I REALLY don't think you have done yourself any favours and I seriously think your not as old as you say. Neither do i think your as experienced as you make out. In truth I think your just opinionated to a point where your emotions cloud your logic.

When have I mentioned my age? And what emotions? Have I not stated many times that I dont care about Ezekiel, and I dont care about you? You keep playing that card, and all it does is make you look ignorant. Take your own advice, drop the personal crap.

Anyway... What was the subject? LOL

The topic of this subject? Person asks if it is alright to throw/spam EMP grenades, he got his answer

Or your topic? You cried because Ezekiel can do better than your repair whoring, got proved wrong by tons of people, and the topic got deleted, to your benefit

[xslaneyx]

that horn3t1971 bloke talks a lot of horse **** whenever ive played against him...........even more when i got the fringe idols tags:laugh:

anywho.

seconds out...........round...erm>>?????? 394823043284-2 maybe?