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  • DTPleeoswald
    Member
    • Jul 2007
    • 536

    #31
    Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

    Originally posted by Lordsethonan
    Ok if anybody can make this work? Pre-Alpha footage fo Karkand.



    Haven't seen it around here, I thought you might like.
    Hmmm interesting. No dusty haze. Good find though.

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    • -Shifty-
      Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 2525

      #32
      Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

      It's going to be very interesting to see how this game works. I very much enjoyed the sniping system in BF:BC2 so I'm looking forward to seeing something familiar in BF3. However, the lack of haze is going to change the gameplay drastically. You'll be able to see from hotel down to the bridge and snipe people at insane distances.

      I wonder how much they'll change. I'm looking forward to this, lets hope it's BF3 and not BC3.

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      • Vreki
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2007
        • 4226

        #33
        Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

        Originally posted by DTPleeoswald
        Hmmm interesting. No dusty haze. Good find though.
        Did they actually say that? I didn't hear it but might have missed it, it was a long interview.
        I can see that there wasn't any haze in the parts we saw, but that might simply have been disabled or not even implemented yet.

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        • CptainCrunch
          I am the 1%
          • Oct 2007
          • 12976

          #34
          Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

          No, they didnt. The images doesnt show haze.

          Crunch
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          • -Shifty-
            Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 2525

            #35
            Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

            Why would they implement haze? This is freaking Frostbite 2.0, not whatever old thing BF2 had.

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            • Minmaster
              I DON'T PLAY CS!
              • Nov 2006
              • 4112

              #36
              Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

              u mean fog or the dust blowing crap from bc2?

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              • CptainCrunch
                I am the 1%
                • Oct 2007
                • 12976

                #37
                Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

                The fog in BF2.

                It was implemented so snipers could not shoot across the map as they could then see forever. However, with sniper sway and the rumor that no sniper rifle is a one hit kill, that may not be an issue. I would think headshots would still be a problem though.

                Crunch
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                • -Shifty-
                  Member
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 2525

                  #38
                  Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

                  Crunch, I'm pretty sure the fog was in there because the computers of the time could not handle all that rendering. By adding the fog, they drastically reduced the strain on the CPU.

                  Now in games like BC2 there is no fog whatsoever and snipers can fire as far as they can see a person or an enemy chevron marker. I strongly believe this is because today's CPUs, GPUs, and RAM can handle this level of detail.

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                  • CptainCrunch
                    I am the 1%
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 12976

                    #39
                    Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

                    You can strongly believe that if you like, nothing wrong with that. Of course, it doesnt explain why there is fog today in BF2 and it was never turned off in a patch or how one of the great advantages of purchasing hack tools was to turn off the fog and that was during the time period CPUs and graphics couldnt handle such drawings. It also doesnt explain why there is a manual view depth in the settings of BF2 that could be adjusted for such hardware limitations.

                    Also, BC2 had smaller maps and larger bullet drop and sway that was not all seen in BF2 but will be seen in BF3.

                    Crunch
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                    • -Shifty-
                      Member
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 2525

                      #40
                      Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

                      So what are you saying now? The fog was there for CPU purposes and gameplay purposes? It's one bird with two stones?

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                      • jimykx
                        No, I AM your father!
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 6640

                        #41
                        Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

                        Originally posted by -Shifty-
                        Crunch, I'm pretty sure the fog was in there because the computers of the time could not handle all that rendering. By adding the fog, they drastically reduced the strain on the CPU. .
                        That was not the reason why fog was in bf2, if that was the reason then most of the maps would have it, and right now i only recall karkand having it. Big maps like wake island etc did not have that dense fog

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                        • CptainCrunch
                          I am the 1%
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 12976

                          #42
                          Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

                          Originally posted by -Shifty-
                          So what are you saying now? The fog was there for CPU purposes and gameplay purposes? It's one bird with two stones?
                          No, its two birds with one stone. DICE has mentioned in the past both those reasons for using fog. The thing I am getting at is machines could render the game back then and people tweeked their systems to even do so as much as possible. By the last patch, why didnt they just turn it off because wouldnt the pcs by then be able to do the job?

                          So, yeah, I agree with you on that they used it for rendering, however, it was also used so that there wasnt long distance shots with vehicles and snipers, like you see in BC2.

                          The thing with BC2 is that the maps are much smaller and the bullet drop isnt always a big problem. I can see it being so in BF3. They are also adding more sway and a breathing thing, like in CoD4, so why have fog when you have all these variables now?

                          Crunch
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                          • CptainCrunch
                            I am the 1%
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 12976

                            #43
                            Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

                            Originally posted by jimykx
                            That was not the reason why fog was in bf2, if that was the reason then most of the maps would have it, and right now i only recall karkand having it. Big maps like wake island etc did not have that dense fog
                            All the maps have it, as far as I recall, just Karkand was really thick.

                            Crunch
                            Twitter: @CptainCrunch
                            Battlelog/Origin: CptainCrunch

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                            • Minmaster
                              I DON'T PLAY CS!
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 4112

                              #44
                              Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

                              did you all forget we had view distance slider in the PC BF games?

                              the fog was for both balance reasons as well as hardware performance.

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                              • -Shifty-
                                Member
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 2525

                                #45
                                Re: MP gameplay, and more gameplay

                                Ok we're talking about two different things guys.

                                I was talking about how you couldn't see anything past a certain distance. Like how you can't see the carrier from the airfield at Wake, or how you can't see the carrier from the beach of Oman.


                                lol I meant to say two birds with one stone.

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