First Crytek no Id Software :S

[Dairuka]

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Nah, all you would be left with is those rubbish hippy/indie games.

Like the Lost Vikings, Warcraft I and Diablo...

What about Commander Keen, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom and Quake?

How about Sins of a Solar Empire and Galactic Civilizations?

Maybe Half-Life?

Yeah... real rubbish. :laugh:

Want to know what all of those games have in common? They were all made by hippie/independent gaming development firms.

They're big now. Sure. Because they were innovative, created quality games for a gaming niche, and wound up world famous for it. You'd have to be a delusional fool to believe that PC gaming is facing twilight with hundreds of mod teams, independent development firms, and aspiring publishing companies on the horizons. If you ask me, PC gaming hasn't even begun to shine yet.

PC gaming will never be anything more than a niche though. It's too decentralized to be mainstream.

[=98=]

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EA should.

The PC niche market will return to it's grass roots as soon as the mega-corporations stop buying out the little guys.

Graphics quality will suffer - but game quality will flourish.

Notice I keep calling it a niche? Low budget games that focus on game-play and innovation are what made PC gaming the genre maker. Warcraft I wasn't exactly big budget.

Nah, all you would be left with is those rubbish hippy/indie games.

[Dairuka]

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you don't want EA to retreat from the pc market trust me

you just need them to pull their heads out of their asses, use their brains and change their business ethic

EA should.

The PC niche market will return to it's grass roots as soon as the mega-corporations stop buying out the little guys.

Graphics quality will suffer - but game quality will flourish.

Notice I keep calling it a niche? Low budget games that focus on game-play and innovation are what made PC gaming the genre maker. Dune and Warcraft I weren't exactly big budget.

One aspiring game genre being made by an independent publisher/developer by the name of Tilted Mills tries to expand upon the ideas of the PSX game Dark Cloud by taking Rogue-like (Diablo) Roleplaying Game Dungeon Crawling elements, allowing you to create your very own city and empire based on the money you earn from your dungeon crawling exploits, and removing any annoying semblance of a background story that annoyingly bogs down game-play in console RPG's. It'll be a free-form, non-linear city builder where you are expected to dungeon crawl for fun and profit!

It'll be the first real RPG/City Builder. Oh gods... I spooge at the very thought... Just think of the possibilities for a whole new genre.

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I take back my previous post about EA, i guess i have misjudged/misunderstood, Alex your post has made it clear in the business supply and demand area for me. cheers.

And MrChris what you have said is quite true.

[MrChris_CJ]

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you don't want EA to retreat from the pc market trust me

you just need them to pull their heads out of their asses, use their brains and change their business ethic

[=98=]

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Thing is EA cares about the green instead of its customers,

You see, i wouldn't say thats' true. Sure, they do have some bad games, but they have also made some corkers. BF2, BF:BC, Fifa etc...

But, remember it's a business with shareholders and a profit driven motivation. It's got to strike a balance between revenue and customer satisfaction. Now, you see, the two are connected. If there is no customer satisfaction, there would be no revenue. So, what we can tell is that if EA are doing well, it's games are selling well and thus we are obviously buying them

@Vreki

As for digital distribution, it's a nice idea, but not one that'll catch on for a while. It'll only take off once hard disks are bigger, Internet is faster, more secure and more reliable and once potential online sales are greater than store sales.

Believe me, they do the research. I have participated in a number of questionnaires for a focus group testing company, many of them from EA. I did one on 2142 and one on Command & Conquer (there were others as well). I recollect they had a lot of questions regarding online distribution, so they are doing their research.

But, until the 95th percentile have access to reliable, cheap net and hardware, store sales will dominate.

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Thing is EA cares about the green instead of its customers, thats why i think negatively about EA, i kinda feel bad that i paid 35 quid for Army of 2. In any case EA has done wonders for BF:BC and hopefully BF3 will pwn all BFs.

[Vreki]

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Well, actually, that would be the worst thing that could possibly happen. If publishers move out, devs don't get their games published and we are left with nothing.

No BF3, no nothing. You need to think before you come out with your cool to hate messages.

I am hoping that we will see the publishing part becoming redundant soon. Digital distribution could mean that developers can publish games on their own. No need for burning CD´s, printing manuals, shipping to distributors etc.
There is still the question of advertising, but haven't we lately seen quite a few games fall flat despite huge hype campaigns?

BF3 is an interesting example, because IMHO the BF franchise is typical of what happens when the publisher runs the show instead of the developer. Suddenly we have BF 1-2-3-4-5-6 and BF:This, BF:That instead of new original games.

[=98=]

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Would be good to see EA retreat from the PC market.

Well, actually, that would be the worst thing that could possibly happen. If publishers move out, devs don't get their games published and we are left with nothing.

No BF3, no nothing. You need to think before you come out with your cool to hate messages.

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Would be good to see EA retreat from the PC market. Thnx for the opinions guys, and i like to see it go as a cycle that way its neverending, in other words endless.

[Vreki]

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Well after this long talk what do you guys think, i mean whats the verdict here? is PC going to die or not?.

I cant see such a huge market die. If the old companies stop making games for the PC, then others will take over.
Maybe it would be a good thing if the mega-companies loses interest in the PC market for a while, it could certainly do with some fresh blood.

And fever FPS games released will also make it easier for the mods to gain a foothold.

[=98=]

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It'll reach an all time low and then rise again. Life runs in cycles.

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Well after this long talk what do you guys think, i mean whats the verdict here? is PC going to die or not?.

[=98=]

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Starforce... Oh how I hate starforce. I've heard of ways to crack it, and they are all complicated/time consuming, so it puts off the casual pirater.

However, it does make life difficult for legal owners - requires you to insert a disc every now and again, and I've heard that the program can damage cd drives.

And, this is exactly my point. When you make something relatively uncrackable such as Starforce, rumours are started that it makes life hell for legal owners. People then continue the rumour even if it's not true simply because it's cool to hate.

Insert the disc every now and then? You have to do that with every multiplayer game unless you're using CD images and the program won't damage your DVD playing unless you try cracking it...

You hear some little kid who tries to break Starforce which includes a lot of work and ends up with a bricked DVD drive. He then complains that "Starforce did it", not his silly tampering. He complains on a forum and then everyone else gets the idea that Starforce ruins dvd drives and thus, the rumour spreads.

[The_Eliminator]

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If games shift towards the consoles then it wont be long until piracy on them hits the roof and piracy on the PC games goes down, creating the opposite effect again, much like the graph by Vreki said. Its swings and roundabouts.