Too many RULES

[Kreepy Kitteh =^o.O^=]

A simulator is defined as

'a machine for simulating certain environmental and other conditions for purposes of training or experimentation'

Now I am not gonna get in to the a for league argument about weather or not BF2 is or is not a simulator but that definition matches with what in my opinion a simulator is and should do. BF2 doesn't give you any aspect of training that can be used in the real world so I'll never see it as a simulator of war.

yes and if u had read on u would see that simulator also means a person or thing that simulates... and as i have already said simulate means to mimic.. which is what BF2 is doing :p

it is mimicking the actions of war.. KILLING PEOPLE!! to gain control of certain vantage points = WAR :p

which according to definition i would classify it a loosely based war simulator..

[Chris_Redfield]

Sniper, by your own logic


IF chicken = good
AND
IF chocolate = good
AND
IF chocolate = sweet
THEN
chicken = sweet

I could do the same and come up with a conclusion that youre a homosexual, even though you might not be. Then again, who knows.

Get it through- a simulator actually copies some real life situation/machinery/environment as closely as possible with the sole purpose of training. BF2 does not do that, its an arcade game which certain elements are loosely based on their real life counterparts appearance (not function, see my note about military doctrines).

Even such games like airsoft and paintball, which theoretically are closer to RL military than games are, need to have specific military simulation games organized if the events can be called mil-sims.

[Kreepy Kitteh =^o.O^=]

hmm then why do alot of reviews i read about it ALSO classify it a War Simulator?..

[Chris_Redfield]

hmm then why do alot of reviews i read about it ALSO classify it a War Simulator?..

You mean the reviews that say RE4 is the best thing that happened to the franchise?
The reviews that fail to mention any bugs, crashes and left-out features from BF2?
The reviews that were bought out to give Kand&Lynch high scores, viva la Jeff?

Would you rather trust a review of an uneducated person who has a vague and general understanding of the subject or would you rather trust Websters dictionary and the comments from actual military personnel who have actually gone through simulations?

[Irish Freedom]

Even though this thread is a flame war waiting to happen i have to agree with you... its war! i know its only a game and im not one of these people who take it for anything more than that... but its a war simulation and in war there is no leniency and no etiquette.. the rules about the commander not being able to do this or that is just bs.. and i know im going to get flamed for this BIG time.. but base raping should be allowed.. when im getting base raped i just spawn and run my butt off and most the time dont die..

i think the majority of people think the more rules u make the less their going to suck or somthing.. i agree that any hackers or glitcher is just not on as thats an unfair advantage.. but as for base raping and the comander using tanks and watever else that should be allowed.. but thats just my opinion

flamefest!! just kidding, but i have to disagree. Baseraping shouldn't be allowed because it's not "realistic" or anything, because in real war, there isn't one base where people "spawn" and just appear out of thin air. In real war it's impossible to baserape. You don't see Marines in Iraq waiting at an insurgent stronghold for terrorists to "spawn" before killing them. However, the only way a game like this could work is if players spawn at bases, and therefore baserape should be illegal. That's why I like Project Reality; the modification actually doesn't let you baserape at all.

[Kreepy Kitteh =^o.O^=]

You mean the reviews that say RE4 is the best thing that happened to the franchise?
The reviews that fail to mention any bugs, crashes and left-out features from BF2?
The reviews that were bought out to give Kand&Lynch high scores, viva la Jeff?

Would you rather trust a review of an uneducated person who has a vague and general understanding of the subject or would you rather trust Websters dictionary and the comments from actual military personnel who have actually gone through simulations?

hmm i do see ur point and ur not wrong.. but i guess i just classify it differently to you :) and i know its not like real life.. and ur not going to walk away from it a soldier or anything.. but atm its probably about as close as u will get to a war simulator in the form of a game.

flamefest!! just kidding, but i have to disagree. Baseraping shouldn't be allowed because it's not "realistic" or anything, because in real war, there isn't one base where people "spawn" and just appear out of thin air. In real war it's impossible to baserape. You don't see Marines in Iraq waiting at an insurgent stronghold for terrorists to "spawn" before killing them. However, the only way a game like this could work is if players spawn at bases, and therefore baserape should be illegal. That's why I like Project Reality; the modification actually doesn't let you baserape at all.

Heh just a matter of opinion i guess :p im pretty easy going when it comes to gaming i dont get too worked up if im getting base raped lol.. like i said i just spawn and run like crazy then come back and snipe them :) i guess it just adds another dimension to the game for me..

[Irish Freedom]

hmm then why do alot of reviews i read about it ALSO classify it a War Simulator?..

What the heck????? You earlier ADMITTED it wasn't a war simulator?? And then you said this was a "pointless topic" Get your story straight! You seem so fervent about this argument now, but just earlier you dismissed it as trivial and even admitted defeat! Whose side are you on??!?

[Kreepy Kitteh =^o.O^=]

What the heck????? You earlier ADMITTED it wasn't a war simulator?? And then you said this was a "pointless topic" Get your story straight! You seem so fervent about this argument now, but just earlier you dismissed it as trivial and even admitted defeat! Whose side are you on??!?

lol i folded thinking the argument would subside.. however people continued to argue that matter :)

[Chris_Redfield]

but atm its probably about as close as u will get to a war simulator in the form of a game.

Actually its not. Its very, very, veeeeeeery far from being even close. As a matter of fact, its not even far. Its in the 9th dimension.

ArmA and AA are as close to being "sims" as possible. PR also simulates certain key doctrines like CAS for example but in essence still isnt a war sim.

[Kreepy Kitteh =^o.O^=]

Actually its not. Its very, very, veeeeeeery far from being even close. As a matter of fact, its not even far. Its in the 9th dimension.

ArmA and AA are as close to being "sims" as possible. PR also simulates certain key doctrines like CAS for example but in essence still isnt a war sim.

but AA sucks so whats the best war game that comes the CLOSEST to being what u classify a war simulator or most realistic? whats PR and CAS?

[waaah_wah]

Wooho found that pic:


See, bunnyhopping IS real

PR = Project Reality, a mod for Bf2. www.realitymod.com

That's why I like Project Reality; the modification actually doesn't let you baserape at all.

Yes it does

[Irish Freedom]

how does it?? you can't enter uncaps

[waaah_wah]

Yes you can. You cant enter uncaps on Insurgensy or what playing as Militia, but on most maps you can. Otherwise how the hell are we ment to sabotage the enemy command post?

[The Laughing Man]

yes and if u had read on u would see that simulator also means a person or thing that simulates... and as i have already said simulate means to mimic.. which is what BF2 is doing

Yeah now we're getting in to semantics. A simulation is designed to train and educate others about the thing you're simulating with the view to gaining a better understanding the thing you're simulating. To mimic something is to give the appearance of being something for the purpose of deception only, it has no intention of educating others about what it is that's being mimicked.

In this respect BF2 does mimic war, it appears to be war yet gives no training or understanding of what war is.

[Kreepy Kitteh =^o.O^=]

Yeah now we're getting in to semantics. A simulation is designed to train and educate others about the thing you're simulating with the view to gaining a better understanding the thing you're simulating. To mimic something is to give the appearance of being something for the purpose of deception only, it has no intention of educating others about what it is that's being mimicked.

In this respect BF2 does mimic war, it appears to be war yet gives no training or understanding of what war is.

read my last posts i couldnt be botherd arguing this anymore :p

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