shotgun range poll.

[Sloi sauce]

I gave the shotties another chance tonight... and after repeatedly not having my shots register on someone who's ~10 meters away, I gave up on them.

I replaced that with one of the best kits I've made so far...

MP5 + Acog (increased distance)
Bandolier (because with this kit, you're staying alive a long time)
Stopping Power
Steady Aim (you're not really thinking of using the Acog, right?)

RapeCity.jpg

[Kayback]

I was giving the guns another go, but the visual of the guy shooting, pausing and only then working the forend made me want to throw things at my screen, so gave up.

KBK

[TSlaw*]

Thank you for sharing your lack of intellect with us.

1) This video isnt mind

2) There are a lot more things to consider, like lag, distance, ping, perks. The fact that he used 4 shots to kill someone at specific points does not overshadow him 1 shot killing most of his victims.

If you want to make a point, state your mind. If you want to be slapped, well...

Mmmk. Well you first off didn't state it wasn't yours, then you say "Thank you for sharing your lack of intellect with us." and then go spell mine with a d. Ya. Here you go with that "should we change the shotgun/lets just sit here and insult each other." I said earlier. Way to go.


And the video, you stated it takes one shot, and even if the video isn't your why would you post a vid with a guy using a shotgun taking 4 shots for about all of his kills?

[Keyelite]

They suffer from too many restricitons. Range, rate of fire, and spread. All of those are modeled on someone's misconception of a "scattergun".

The range of a shotgun is so low you might as well take those 2 steps and knife the enemy.

If you doubled the range of the shotgun, it would be more versatile, but not totally own.

Actually, shotguns are pretty dead accurate within the range they are given. They also give you Grip and steady aim to make them even more accurate. With that said, there really isn't any spread. The rate of fire to instant kill someone seems pretty good right now. If you really want more rate of fire, equip double tap.

Well, the problem with knifing is that you have to wait till you pull out your gun again to knife all over. It's slow.

The range is fine too. If the shotgun had double the range, it would be incredibly unfair. And no, it will totally own in the right hands; then people will start complaining about it.


Again, this is roughly the maximum range for the shotgun. Double that and well, we have problems.

Just learn the weapon, it is not hard. You have to be a certain distance before you can kill with it... the red crosshair tells you everything. And to be honest, there is no point in shotguns in hardcore.

[TSlaw*]

*snip*....And to be honest, there is no point in shotguns in hardcore.

That's because the Pistol owns EVERYTHING in hardcore :yay:

[Sloi sauce]

The range is fine too. If the shotgun had double the range, it would be incredibly unfair. And no, it will totally own in the right hands; then people will start complaining about it.

Again, this is roughly the maximum range for the shotgun. Double that and well, we have problems.

Just learn the weapon, it is not hard. You have to be a certain distance before you can kill with it... the red crosshair tells you everything. And to be honest, there is no point in shotguns in hardcore.

There's nothing to learn. If I'm ~10 meters away from a STATIC target, taking perfectly centered shots and none of them register until I cross half that distance, something is f*cking wrong with the weapon.

You can easily double the range and decrease to a minimum damage of 15 or 20 for each pellet, instead of the maximum damage of 40. There's no excuse, the shotties are broken.

[Sloi sauce]

Sloi, shotties arent broken. Dont use them as SMGs. End.

I'd say not being able to hit a static target from 10 meters with a perfectly centered reticle counts as broken. I don't see why you persist in defending shotties in their present form...

[Keyelite]

Wait until your cross hair turns red, then fire.

I'm just saying, there are those who are devastating with the current shotgun-- giving them even more power is going to make it incredibly unfair. Eventually people will figure this out and exploit the shotgun and its power, just like they do in every game... they try to find that "perfect" kit to kill everyone.

[Chris_Redfield]

I'd say not being able to hit a static target from 10 meters with a perfectly centered reticle counts as broken. I don't see why you persist in defending shotties in their present form...

Yes. Right. Because the inability to kill a chopper in BF2 even though youre shooting right through the cockpit, means they are completely broken. You managed to circumvent that. I managed to circumvent the "10 metre problem". Although my solution was much simplier. I get to 9 metres and shoot then.

Each map in COD4 has a specific spot where shotguns become the nr.1 weapon of choice, but because of them being useful in such places only, makes them a nr.2 weapon of choice. You need to understand, that in order to pick the shotgun, situation has to favour the choice. Shotguns will never be a substitute for SMGs nor will they be a sub for AR (in game). They are, right now, a weapon of choice for a specific task.

Accept that, and you will accept 4:1+ KDR.

[L3adcannon]

Been whoring the shotgun for the past month and they are just fine, wtfhax-fine if you`re good at the game. Of course some extra distance wouldn`t hurt, but then shotty--whoring would become common and annoying like it is in CoD2.
Pipeline, Block and Vacant are just rapetowns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ojLAxpH08&feature=related

That vid gave me a hard-on, brb.

[Chris_Redfield]

Pipeline, Block and Vacant are just rapetowns.

Probably the best shotgun maps, as the locations to rape with the gun are close to each other. In maps like Crash, you need to work your way through some open ground and it can get ugly. Perhaps the worst thing for a shotgunner, is exactly that, working your way through the area to reach the spots where you can whore it up. But thanks to a very helpful individual, I have my USP conveniently converted into a Glock 18C, which solves the problem without the need going into "Overkill". As a matter of fact, using the Glock 18C was perhaps the most satisfying thing next to shotguns. Who needs an MP5 anyway? USP + pixie dust = G18C (40 HP damage, reasonable range, high ROF)

[Kayback]

So to get the shotgun to work, you exploit the pistol kit. Got it.

But seriously. I've been using the shotguns pretty extensively since we started this debate. I was wanting to make sure my arguments weren't based on flawed info, and they aren't. The shotguns are as crap as i though they were. There are plenty of weapons that offer other advantages, except the one very small market that the shotgun can work in.

I just think you are overly punished for getting to the shotguns "sweet spot".

Even something like Vacant. This is a seriously well designed CQB map. i absolutely love it. But firing from one side of a ROOM to the other, with the shotguns, can = no kill. Even with the target dead in your sights. This is garbage.

Not only that, but if you move anywhere out of that room, the shotgun is almost useless. It can't even shoot down one of the cross corridors. And they are really short.

Like you said, shotguns aren't a substitute for SMGs. But they should be. You trade ROF for the instagib, but sacrifice too much range.

Like I said, I've been playing with the shotguns, and they _can_ do wonders, but I'm not convinced they aren't broken. They should be a little more all round. And I'm not talking shooting across Bog, I'm talking about shooting from outside the "cafe" on the side, to the opposite door. Something they can't do.

You're better off using your pistol.

KBK

[Chris_Redfield]

So to get the shotgun to work, you exploit the pistol kit. Got it.

Dont get me wrong. I dont exploit the pistols, using a macro, in order to "pwn". I dont need high scores or KDR. They are nice to have, but fvck them. I absolutely LOVE an auto-pistol that kills, as a concept. Its awesome. Using a full auto USP is exactly like I said, like using a virtual Glock18C, its awesome. Feels fun and cool.

Like I said, I've been playing with the shotguns, and they _can_ do wonders, but I'm not convinced they aren't broken. They should be a little more all round. And I'm not talking shooting across Bog, I'm talking about shooting from outside the "cafe" on the side, to the opposite door. Something they can't do.

Hence me agreeing with the change of shotgun pellets NOT disappearing into thin air, but going further, down to a specific HP damage and not below that, with a maximum range of as long as an SMGs perhaps. This means that you can hit and damage people that are out of shotguns instagib range. Even killing wounded folks.

[imported_Whiskey]

I just played a 3 vs 3 round on Vacant...our team all had either SMG's or AR's, and the other used shotties. We got murdered. The only time we had a chance is if we worked in pairs so the 2nd guy might finish the shottie off. I was constantly surprised by how far they actually reached. Same with Shipment. This wasn't a HC server either.

I think they're a specialty weapon, like a sniper rifle. When used in the proper situation, by a skilled user, they're deadly. I think if they were given any more range, it would be too easy to use, and the game would degenerate into n00bism and people would go ballistic. I seem to recall this being the case in the early days of COD2.

[Keyelite]

I think they're a specialty weapon, like a sniper rifle. When used in the proper situation, by a skilled user, they're deadly. I think if they were given any more range, it would be too easy to use, and the game would degenerate into n00bism and people would go ballistic. I seem to recall this being the case in the early days of COD2.

BINGO!
They are perfect for the job they have to do. No one can stop someone who is dead accurate with a shotgun. It's like saying to make the scope of the sniper zoom in faster so they can use it in a closer range.

And plus, no one likes a little challenge? It seems like you guys are trying to use the shotgun as a substitute of an SMG. DON'T. You need to know how to use the environment around you to your advantage. If you see a guy, take cover and see if he would come after you, if not, move up closer to another area of cover, etc, until you are in range. If you are too far away, stun or retreat to another kill.