Dalian servers with no seatswitching/soloing rule

[L3adcannon]

I got owned

But the way Sloi talks about unjust and just is kinda rofl, like his life depends on it.

[Chris_Redfield]

Sloi is trying to insert some sense into his arguments. I wouldnt use the whole concept of "legal" or "illegal". Id stick to the reasons why certain rules are being implemented. Theres a whole lot of grey area between black and white, but in most cases, rules are set because the admins/clanners are too archaic in their view on the game, and are trying to limit everyone else so they would be playing on their turf.

For example, baseraping rule. Certain servers have their crews set up this rule not because shooting jets and choppers down on the runway is unfair. They make this rule so that both teams had something to fight for, in order to get to "rape" the main. While it may not necessarily bring in any more points, the incentive to work harder to "get to the gold" is one of the most motivating sights.

On the flipside we have admins that implement this, and a whole boatload of rules because they "can" and "want to". You can see them constantly b!tch about whatever is going down and use their administrators functions in a derogatory manner.

Sloi is simply trying to fight the "intellectual" war to make the other side of the argument realise that they are wrong. Nothing wrong with that, these are forums, afterall.

I stopped taking these kind of admins seriously a long time ago. Playing in COD4 servers which disallow GL use while admins themselves use it means that asshattery is unlimited.

EDIT: Im willing to bet that if admin asked Sloi nicely and politely, and explained the reasons why such rule exists, Sloi wouldnt feel half as bad about the kicking. Or he would drop soloing.

[waaah_wah]

Should one follow rules he knows to be unjust? This has profound implications and consequences. Think about it... I know this is asking a lot, considering the venue and all, but make an effort to see the bigger picture and you'll eventually gain some appreciation for our position.

It's very interesting that we've arrived at this point around MLK day. He stated something along the lines of "one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws". An unjust law is no law at all, so says St-Augustine...

What are your thoughts on this, if you have any?


"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law".

"Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is... a prison".

Go cut yourself or something... This bitching is getting annoying

[ElFipso]

Should one follow rules he knows to be unjust? This has profound implications and consequences. Think about it... I know this is asking a lot, considering the venue and all, but make an effort to see the bigger picture and you'll eventually gain some appreciation for our position.

It's very interesting that we've arrived at this point around MLK day. He stated something along the lines of "one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws". An unjust law is no law at all, so says St-Augustine...

What are your thoughts on this, if you have any?


"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law".

"Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is... a prison".

Hahaha, that's the point where everybody should abandon this threat.
What is just?
What is unjust?
Who are you to decide?
Who decides it anyway?
Bible?
Koran?
Politics?
You?
Me?


And I thought BF2 was just a game :laugh::dead:

[DOGGiE52]

This is getting tiring. Sloi, you don't have to prove anything to people who can't cope with higher skilled players. This conversation is just annoying tbh.

[Sloi sauce]

It`s a ****ing game, jesus.
If you find a server unjust, find a server that is just. Bitching and moaning isn`t gonna change the way people run their servers.

It's not just about the game, this kind of bullsh*t crosses over into the "real world", whatever that is. You have to start somewhere, and I figure if we can't fix that kind of problem in something as simple as a game, the world as a whole doesn't stand a chance.

Typical reactions, though: the one person that makes the intelligent, backed up post gets laughed at. I don't know why I was expecting anything else...

[ElFipso]

It's not just about the game, this kind of bullsh*t crosses over into the "real world", whatever that is. You have to start somewhere, and I figure if we can't fix that kind of problem in something as simple as a game, the world as a whole doesn't stand a chance.

Sure, how fix it if there are always some smarta$$es thinking they are right when they break the law, just because THEY think it's just.
Where would we end if we could all do the things WE think is just. Selfjustice?
Ever thought further than your keyboard?

But yeah, your right, maybe we should send a copy of your post to the leaders of the world so they can all fall down to their knees to hail the mighty Sloi
Yes we should all apply the rule of soloing on RL, break every rule we think is stupid. And the world would finally be a better place!

Sloi, honestly, you really believe in the stuff you're saying??:shakehead

[Sloi sauce]

Sure, how fix it if there are always some smarta$$es thinking they are right when they break the law, just because THEY think it's just.
Where would we end if we could all do the things WE think is just. Selfjustice?
Ever thought further than your keyboard?

But yeah, your right, maybe we should send a copy of your post to the leaders of the world so they can all fall down to their knees to hail the mighty Sloi
Yes we should all apply the rule of soloing on RL, break every rule we think is stupid. And the world would finally be a better place!

Sloi, honestly, you really believe in the stuff you're saying??:shakehead

Right, so blacks and gays should have just settled for slavery and crucifixion? There are such things as unjust rules, and your failure to recognize it prevents progress. You're not helping, so stay out of the way...

[Webs961]

I don't think that's what that means. I think what they're going for is that if we applied that principle to every rule and every law that we, personally, did not agree with.


For example. I think I am a safe driver. I know that the speed limit is put in place as a general safety measure for everyone. But, since I'm a safe driver, I can shove the speedometer up to 100 MPH, so long as I can make sure I'm not going to hit anything.

Some laws are put in place to protect the population from itself (see the laws on J-walking or no U-turns in certain intersections).

[Chris_Redfield]

Which is why certain rules and laws are welcomed, and some, even if you disagree with, if abided by everyone, have more positive effects than others.

This is not the case, when were dealing with a country (server), marshalled by Klingons (server admins, clanners), who create rules and laws to control the lifestyle of the population (server visitors) because they cant cope with the play dynamics "fresh blood" brings with itsself.

"No camping" is the oldest such rule in the book.

[camper.]

I'm not sure how slavery is akin to the plight of the restricted keyboard combatant but it's a ****ing game, christ...

Which is why certain rules and laws are welcomed, and some, even if you disagree with, if abided by everyone, have more positive effects than others.

This is not the case, when were dealing with a country (server), marshalled by Klingons (server admins, clanners), who create rules and laws to control the lifestyle of the population (server visitors) because they cant cope with the play dynamics "fresh blood" brings with itsself.

"No camping" is the oldest such rule in the book.

Actually, it would be more like the immigration department (admins) enforcing their already decided laws and *shock, horror*, kicking out illegal immigrants (h4x0rs) and those who overstayed their visas or broke the law (soloers).

Anyway, if a person is prepared to put their money where their mouth is and actually run a server, they can run it however the flying **** they like, within laws that matter (i.e. laws that weren't made by keyboard supersoldiers which haven't seen daylight for weeks). And no, I'm not talking about EACS.

DICE enabled everyone to have the 4 seconds required to switch & fire, but they also allowed anyone who paid for it to get admin privileges. Deal with it, or stfu, and I prefer the latter. If you're so l33t, convert some of your skill into $$$ and buy your own ****ing server.

[Sloi sauce]

Yes, because buying a server for a game on its way out is a terrific idea.

No thanks, I'll stick to disobeying unjust rules until airmap servers run out,
at which point I can fully switch to COD4 and play the way I want without
being told the contrary by some 12 year old with the IQ of a doorknob.

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I'm not sure how slavery is akin to the plight of the restricted keyboard combatant but it's a ****ing game, christ...

The thing is, it's a slippery slope.

When the Admins came for the uncap rapers,
I remained silent;
I was not an uncap raper.

When they locked up the dolphin divers,
I remained silent;
I was not a dolphin diver.

When they came for the bunny hoppers,
I did not speak out;
I was not a bunny hopper.

When they came for the soloists,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a soloist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

The same thing obviously plays out in the real world. When they take away assault rifles, very few people care. Those are for nutjobs in Montana. When they tap your phone line to look for "terrorists," you say, "I have nothing to hide." When they scan your computer without cause, you say, "I'm not a pirate, go ahead." When they start telling people what to think and how to think it, are you going to say, "I don't care, I don't think much on my own anyhow?"

[Chris_Redfield]

Actually, it would be more like the immigration department (admins) enforcing their already decided laws and *shock, horror*, kicking out illegal immigrants (h4x0rs) and those who overstayed their visas or broke the law (soloers).

Except that immigration rules, regulations and laws make sense, and are there for the benefit of the whole nation. The rules against soloers dont benefit anyone else except for server admins who have to play on that server on a daily basis, so they see what the machine can do. Very few servers have that rule set up, just to enforce 100% teamwork on all levels, and even then, a soloer is just as much of a teamplayer, as a crew is.

So, your immigration example is not exact, unless you modify it.

Immigration department will only allow the immigrants in, if they work at McDonalds, only for minimum wage and live only in specifically assigned projects.

[camper.]

Except that immigration rules, regulations and laws make sense, and are there for the benefit of the whole nation. The rules against soloers dont benefit anyone else except for server admins who have to play on that server on a daily basis, so they see what the machine can do. Very few servers have that rule set up, just to enforce 100% teamwork on all levels, and even then, a soloer is just as much of a teamplayer, as a crew is.

So, your immigration example is not exact, unless you modify it.

Immigration department will only allow the immigrants in, if they work at McDonalds, only for minimum wage and live only in specifically assigned projects.

Well hey, if they want to enforce apartheid then you have no bloody choice in the matter, considering nobody is forcing you in.

I guess, if we're comparing BF2 to real life, a lot of l33t people are also highly masochistic. Odd fetish, but whatever floats your boat, as they say.

Yes, because buying a server for a game on its way out is a terrific idea.

No thanks, I'll stick to disobeying unjust rules until airmap servers run out,
at which point I can fully switch to COD4 and play the way I want without
being told the contrary by some 12 year old with the IQ of a doorknob.

Such a game on its way out that it has more players than more or less all the new FPS (=/= COD4) games out since combined?

Anyway, I doubt a 12 year old kid is paying for the server. And if the person paying for the server wants you to GTFO, then tough. One command/button press is all it takes for them to do it anyway.

At least it's not counterstrike, where you're kicked and banned permanently when the admin sees fit. In any case, you're free to piss people off on the ranked servers but that's purely because they aren't upholding their part of the contract anyway.

The solution is simple - soloing on 24/7 Wake Padding Madness (kicked + banned within seconds of an admin coming on - now that's what I call good administration).