Flying heli help

[#1 LoGoS.^CyN.TV*]

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i happen to suck in helicopters

So don't tell people that flying KB+M isn't good if you aren't good. I'm one of the elite chopper whores in the game, and nearly everybody I play with uses KB+M, along with myself. I don't know any great pilots that use a joystick.

Unless you know what you're talking about, don't say a word, and don't be surprised when a flame war starts when you talk about something you don't know about.


Back to the topic, I really couldn't explain how to do it unless you were watching me. I never "learned" how to circle a flag, you just get a sense of how your chopper moves after you fly a lot. I don't know how many hours in the chopper you have, but when you have close to if not over 1000, things make sense :nod:

Just sit in an empty server and keep tooling until you get it right, some things are better left to the individual. There's no one right way to do nearly anything in the helicopter, every pilot has their own techniques. Find what works for you. :)

Look at Cors0, he fly's chops like a pro with the Joy.
He is one of the best out there when it comes to extreme chopper flying.

I don't know if I'd say that. There's nothing in those videos that I couldn't do first or second try with a mouse and keyboard, and I don't consider myself a good pilot. Gunning, I'm pro. Pilot, I'm average. Even though my "average" is probably pro to 99% of the people that read these forums. :p



Anyway, you can do all the backflips through cranes you want to. Unless you can dodge a missile, you're pretty worthless. I'll bet I would hit this Cors0 dude's "dodges" or lack thereof 99 times out of 100.

[Chris_Redfield]

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Not if you use the numpad.

But it would be hard to get used to it.

Good point. But even using the numpad you still have to lift your fingers to tackle other keys. It will make an impact on control and maneuverability.

[imported_Neptune]

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KB+M stinks unless, like someone said, your a soloer. Have fun in that chopper all by yourself. There is NO reason other than that to use kb+m, unless you don't have a joystick, too stubborn to try one, or you conform to the "kb+m you suck with js I own you with kb" club.

I play using teamwork, therefore i never solo, therefore i use my joystick for better control.

Some use the kb+m better no doubt, but im saying it offers no advantages to using a js.

It's not like you can do something with the keyboard that i can't do with a joystick. Practice, is all it takes, of course.

[Akula(old)]

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Whoever says mouse + kb is better than joystick needs to grow a brain.

Here's why it's better..... You don't have to put the keyboard down to pick up a flight stick and vice versa.

Also, for me I have a Saitek X52 which is pretty much a full on HOTAS system and lugging that out and prepping it is just not worth it....

[Sloi sauce]

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Wow, there's a lot of dumb in this thread. I'm done here... have fun arguing things you're wholly ignorant of, fellas. :salute:

[.Churr.]

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KB+M stinks unless, like someone said, your a soloer. Have fun in that chopper all by yourself. There is NO reason other than that to use kb+m, unless you don't have a joystick, too stubborn to try one, or you conform to the "kb+m you suck with js I own you with kb" club.

I play using teamwork, therefore i never solo, therefore i use my joystick for better control.

Some use the kb+m better no doubt, but im saying it offers no advantages to using a js.

It's not like you can do something with the keyboard that i can't do with a joystick. Practice, is all it takes, of course.

Me laughs at this post. :laugh:

[camper.]

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Good point. But even using the numpad you still have to lift your fingers to tackle other keys. It will make an impact on control and maneuverability.

Does BF2 have variable "force" if you use a stick? What I mean, is that if you move the stick halfway, will you go half as slow when turning? That would make keyboard inferior to even M+K in a way.

[Chris_Redfield]

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It does. But KB is just as good really, as you can always tap the keys or release when you need to.

You wouldnt believe me, but KB is superior to any control method when it comes to control response, speaking from a jet pilots perspective.

[imported_Neptune]

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Me laughs at this post. :laugh:

im sorry i just cant stand this... I come up with GOOD reasons why the joystick is better, and all you people have to say is "your stupid, I laugh at you, its better for soloing" but THATS IT!

Tell me whats so funny?

I WOULD LIKE TO BE ENLIGHTENED, BECAUSE NOBODY HAS YET EXPLAINED WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT KB+M.

I would like to know how it is better (and i don't mean that sarcastically).

Call me stupid all you want, that doesn't change a thing until you make a point.

[camper.]

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It's great because you can "aim" the chopper - this is important for lining up the gunner. Imagine trying to play BF2 infantry with a gamepad - now reduce the differences, and you have a heli. While a joystick can only go in a certain continuous direction, with a mouse you can aim at a target, and continous movement is negated because of the very nature of helis. It's also far more accurate than a JS (in heli situations), and to top it off, you can solo.

I think that's the gist of it.

[imported_Neptune]

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It's great because you can "aim" the chopper - this is important for lining up the gunner. Imagine trying to play BF2 infantry with a gamepad - now reduce the differences, and you have a heli. While a joystick can only go in a certain continuous direction, with a mouse you can aim at a target, and continous movement is negated because of the very nature of helis. It's also far more accurate than a JS (in heli situations), and to top it off, you can solo.

I think that's the gist of it.

Its more accurate, your main point is. What makes people think that? You'd be surprised what kind of accuracy comes out of my joystick. With it i feel with the helicopter, not control it. It just makes me part of the heli, I don't see why people would think its less accurate...

Anyways im done with this thread, were clearly going in circles. Some like joysticks, some dont, ill conclude it with that. I will never see why.

[Sneaky]

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Anyway, you can do all the backflips through cranes you want to. Unless you can dodge a missile, you're pretty worthless. I'll bet I would hit this Cors0 dude's "dodges" or lack thereof 99 times out of 100.

Totaly agree mate.

You can funfly like the best but u have to be tactical also if you want to survive in combat and the heat is on.
And so many "good"pilots out there are useless for a good gunner...

But that wasnt my point, I was only talking about the control of the chops using different setups.

Wow, there's a lot of dumb in this thread. I'm done here... have fun arguing things you're wholly ignorant of, fellas. :salute:

There is a lot of dumb in every thread:p
Don't run, you will only die tired!

Oh well..., u prob wont read this anymore....

[signa]

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You mean its hard to hold it in one spot, steady, other than dead center...

Yeah that spring is killer strong, my hand shakes like mad trying to fight that beast.

I actually modded my saitek EVO to reduce spring tension, which seemed to work out pretty good.

~ one thing thats different on the Joystick is the throttle control. A KB has neutral, +100% and -100%, while the joystick has the ability to change to any percentage and keep it there. Obviously its not a huge factor because the KB works so well, but it is perhaps one advantage to a JS.

[imported_Neptune]

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I actually modded my saitek EVO to reduce spring tension, which seemed to work out pretty good.

~ one thing thats different on the Joystick is the throttle control. A KB has neutral, +100% and -100%, while the joystick has the ability to change to any percentage and keep it there. Obviously its not a huge factor because the KB works so well, but it is perhaps one advantage to a JS.

i was being sarcastic there, its not hard to keep it steady...

I dont get why people "mod" the springs... how weak are you? I whore the jet for dozens of rounds and i never get tired...

and i forgot to mention the throttle control, but it won't make a difference for my argument.

[signa]

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i was being sarcastic there, its not hard to keep it steady...

I dont get why people "mod" the springs... how weak are you? I whore the jet for dozens of rounds and i never get tired...

you know, now I understand why everyone on this forum replies to you the way they do. you cant even keep to a discussion without insulting people every post. my spring mod was to fine tune some control adjustments, it has nothing to do with strength. I'm pretty sure after 500 hours of piloting with a joystick I have enough strength to use it.