Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

[BirdKiller]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

It really never was an argument, I just know a little bit more about punkbuster than you and you felt offended by it, that is all, and that little fact pissed you off, of course you won't admit to it either.

The entire quoted post was based on that bolded statement seeing how you've been pissed off much more often. Just thought this had to be pointed out. The rest of the reply, about PB, were addressed at the end.

[pelirrojo173]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

I think he stopped reading your posts a while ago Bird Killer, logic is irrelevant. You will be assimilated. Just give up now

[TotalBF2er]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

I just want Viking to explain how cheats can get past the PB screenshot, or for Bird Killer to explain how PB captures the players screen regardless of the cheat employed.

Neither has produced any links or facts to support their argument.

[vik1ng]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

I just want Viking to explain how cheats can get past the PB screenshot, or for Bird Killer to explain how PB captures the players screen regardless of the cheat employed.

Neither has produced any links or facts to support their argument.

cheats get past by making PB take black screenshots, but there is already a fix for that too.

[BirdKiller]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

Are you only asking how Punkbuster is able to capture player's screen? If so:

http://www.evenbalance.com/publications/admins/#screenshots

http://users.pandora.be/z/suggested/screen.html

[vik1ng]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

No, he clearly asked how cheats get past by PB... lol, fail again you have, young padawan.

[BirdKiller]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

or for Bird Killer to explain how PB captures the players screen regardless of the cheat employed.

No, he clearly asked how cheats get past by PB... lol, fail again you have, young padawan.

This is probably the third time that you showed your lack of reading comprehension.

[vik1ng]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

This is probably the third time that you showed your lack of reading comprehension.

and you provide him with top 2 google searches... genius!!! I guess it does the trick though for basic users.

[TotalBF2er]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

It's not about me searching for stuff.. its about 2 debaters that need to support their claims, and for the rest of us to learn from the experience. That's what forums are for.

One of you claims that PB can bust anyone by simply taking a screenshot, the other says that PB can take a screenshot, and not show cheats..

[vik1ng]

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If you want to know more on how PB works and all I suggest getting down and dirty and register on *** or 187 sites. I won't provide any sources because I simply don't have to, I couldn't care less if u believe me or not, I wanted to be nice enough and share what I know about given subject, I must've struck somebody's nerve (which I'm glad I did because I had so much fun) by pointing out he doesn't know everything there is and the guy's world collapsed. oh noes...

[TotalBF2er]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

Then you make the worst debater in history, and should just shut up and back down then. You're no use to anyone here if you don't share your supposed vast knowledge with us.

You lose.

[vik1ng]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

ouch... harsh baby, I like it... where's my whip.

I wasn't debating, I stated some facts, I made a suggestion on what to do to find out some more, I have different sources which I can't mention, take it as a hint dummy... if you don't feel like doing some research than you must be the lazy one and should shut up, simple is that. Better yet, ask Birdie there to give you proof that tells otherwise to what I explained and then I will back down. mmm k?

[BirdKiller]

Re: Keep on reporting cheaters to EA.. IT WORKS!!

Whether you're actually perceive it as this whole "discussion" as an argument or not, or just lying (won't be surprised), I doubt anyone will agree with that this wasn't a debate at all. Furthermore, there's hardly much confidence nor trust in your after your apparent lack of intelligence and maturity in your replies.

You're 26 years old, and yet you certainly aren't reflecting such age of maturity from your childish posts. "Take it as a hint"? I see that as more of a cover up of a lie and not knowing the topic at all.

and you provide him with top 2 google searches... genius!!! I guess it does the trick though for basic users.

There are reasons why those two links are at the top of the list:

The first link directs to the developers of the Punkbuster system and explains the PB screenshot system.

The second link provides visual details and examples of how the Punkbuster screenshot system works.

Sure, it was a simple search that anybody can find, but that does not undermine the fact that these links are reliable and very informative. These links deserve to be at the top of the list of the searches.

If I remember earlier in this thread, you stated that PB screenshots will not display any of the cheats if it is not registered into the anti-cheat system, as if the shot shows the player is playing clean:

BUT if PB doesn't know that particular hack the SS will come out clean.

Now you reply:

cheats get past by making PB take black screenshots, but there is already a fix for that too.

I guess the question is what this "fix" is for who? The Punkbuster system, as in it will detect these cheats that supposedly should've blacked out the screen, or for the cheats that can come out clean without having to black out the screen? In addition, this question's importance is decremented once you realize the fact that PB screenshots produce empty results if the game is minimized. This is straight from Evenbalance:

Also, Admins should keep in mind that PunkBuster will not take a screenshot from a player who has minimized his local game or who has an application active other than the game itself. In those cases, an empty black screenshot image is sent with text at the bottom explaining why the Capture failed. Also, there are a few video display setups that cannot be correctly captured at this time. These setups also do not allow the game itself to take screenshots using the built-in non-PunkBuster method.

In conclusion, just because a PB screenshot is black empty does not automatically mean the player is cheating or hacking.

[vik1ng]

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In conclusion, just because a PB screenshot is black empty does not automatically mean the player is cheating or hacking.

Seriously you are an idiot and don't know how to use your common sense. It's hard to play a match or a scrim when the game is minimized, is it? Yeah I'm focusing here on competitive side, not pubs. Comparing times of PB ss taken with the time you played the match should resolve any doubts about game being minimized and also it's not like PB takes a ss every hour, you can have PB take ss very often but it might resolve in lag when server becomes overwhelmed. Therefore that are recommended settings.
The fix is not for PB, it's for hacks. The fix is to make PB look legit instead of making them look black. I read your little links through and through ages ago when I took interest in PB, so your little explanation is worthless to me.
English is my second language so "forgive me" (sarcasm) for not responding the way I would liked to, but I can put out my thoughts across clearly enough. My age has nothing to do here either, I already mentioned this; it's INTERNET and I don't care, I guess I care enough that I keep coming back and responding to this stupid thread which already went beyond topic, it became about you and your little internet ego.
Lastly, you keep accusing me of being a liar, as far as I know and asked you couple of times already, you never proved me wrong. May I just suggest, stop calling people liars just because your knowledge on particular subject is limited?

[« R²» HKS]

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vik1ng your wrong about your assumption that PB needs to have detected the cheat for a PB SS to work. All a PB SS is, is a screenshot of what the player actually sees on their screen, nothing more than that.

Yes some cheats do have PB SS blocker which means a screenshot can return black. However that can also mean as mentioned they were minimised to desktop at the time. If you can confirm they are playing as in points steadily increasing and all the PB SS's return back black then there is a high chance they are using a PB SS blocker or it may be packet loss or a video driver problem.

There are also PB SS cleaners which can either show a clean screen without the hacks or it may show a SS that is selected of a BF2 screen or some are silly enough to use a totally different SS from something else as pointed out in another thread here.