Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

[Jemme101]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

Having a sniper only server adds to the BF2 community. It does not detract.

I am sorry that EA fails to appreciate such things. Perhaps they will miss my dollars. Perhaps not.

Best of luck to the {Sn][pers}.

Good post.

If they keep on hammering on servers like the one at {Sn][pers} , BF2 will be dead that much quicker. But maybe thats what they were aiming for anyways. They need to ram 2142 down our throats at this point so anything goes. Suffice to say I am not spending a buck on that Mod as things stand now.

And for any of the ROE peeps reading this. You should seriously reconsider enforcing your rules (they certainly are not mine) on servers by looking at them individually. There is a fine line between exploiting and creating a special atmosphere like {Sn][pers} have done apparently (havent played there before btw, too bad I must say). If people at ROE cannt make that distinction you should be thinking about a career change.

[shiftymoves]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

Good post.

If they keep on hammering on servers like the one at {Sn][pers} , BF2 will be dead that much quicker. But maybe thats what they were aiming for anyways. They need to ram 2142 down our throats at this point so anything goes. Suffice to say I am not spending a buck on that Mod as things stand now.

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Hear hear, I couldn't agree more...I have played on snipers only...They rules are fair and just. Above all it was fun...Get it FUN.

Just as a global set of rules (ROE), can put the fun back into a game, as well can remove it...My thought was the ROE was nothing more than to make sure everyone played by the same rules. If a server opperator or admin make sure that everyone in that server plays by those rules, there is no abuse of power, no abuse of points, and it is(FUN) for everyone that is playing on that server. The (ROE) is being adhere to. Case and point!

Look at the name people. It's called (ROE) Rules of Engagement!
Rules are clear (there scrolled at the top of the screen)
No One has an immediate kick. You are given fair warning. To what snipping rlue you broke, then allowed ample time to correct.

Now those are Rules of engagement, are they not?
Indian Scout, I have thought you were a reasonable person. Have YOU ever played on snipers only? If not how can you form an opinion, on the words of others. As well, you know you keep singiling out one server. Your abusing your power! If there were no P & K server's out there, it would be a well and good. However thats not the case is it!
I employ you to THINK very carefully about what you are doing.
YOU could be singled out as well...

[Jemme101]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

Well here is a typical comment from somebody from ROE in this here thread on page 3 ...

They are breaking the rules EA set, they will be punished. Play unranked, and they're safe. Over.

Xodus

Allows for a lot room in which to maneuver ... reminds me of the typical civil servant we got over here. They can only apply rules, but they dont understand what the rules are meant for in the first place.

They will be punished

... give me a break :laugh:

[Dacster]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

The ROE was created so that there is a level playing field for everyone, as with all rules there will be opinions whether it is good or not. EA has set these rules and therefore it is up to them to make any changes. The ROE has global rules for every rank server and allows server owners to tweak the game as they feel as long as they fall within the scope of the ROE. Honestly if EA wanted to change the ROE they would but they haven't which basically makes this a mute point. We can go all day debating what should and shouldn't be allowed in the game but until EA say's it's a go then we will just sit here and spin our wheels over this.

[Jemme101]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

Well actually Dacster you are the one that shouldnt be spinning any wheels, but instead should bring this to the attention of anybody who can make a difference in the matter.

The guys at {Sn][pers} didnt mean any harm with their setup, but were providing another way of playing the game without glitching the ranking system.
The reason they wanted the server to be ranked was offcourse simple, rankeds attract more people. And as things stand now you need all the help you can get to keep your server filled.

[shiftymoves]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

The ROE was created so that there is a level playing field for everyone, as with all rules there will be opinions whether it is good or not. EA has set these rules and therefore it is up to them to make any changes. The ROE has global rules for every rank server and allows server owners to tweak the game as they feel as long as they fall within the scope of the ROE. Honestly if EA wanted to change the ROE they would but they haven't which basically makes this a mute point. We can go all day debating what should and shouldn't be allowed in the game but until EA say's it's a go then we will just sit here and spin our wheels over this.

Were YOU there when it was written (NO). STOP pretending and READ IT!!!
EA set the rules however had little to do with the writing...Again read it
ROE was written by the community for the community. It was debat that spawned the roe. It is that same debat that can change the ROE.
Again abuse of power in ones own opinion...

To everyone that don't know this the ROE is LIVING DOCUMENT
It can be changed at time for ANY reason.
If you have read it. Your words would suggest, you really DON'T UNDERSTAND it. ASK YOUR BOSS!

[Dacster]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

Shifty,

I don't understand the hostility towards any of the BFROE members also you have no idea of who I am or where I was when the ROE was written so your statement holds no water. As for asking my boss, for those that don't know I am Indianscouts brother and the Program Manager of BFROE.It's just a title and I don't read a whole lot into it but I have been with BFROE since the beginning and have read the ROE. I don't feel that this thread is going anywhere fast and has turned into an argument that will go on forever and as a MOD here I could close it but wont and ask that another MOD make that decision so that it doesn't reflect that I was being a jerk. So shifty if you want to move this to BFROE I'm ok with that and look forward to debating you there.

Thx for listening.

[Jemme101]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

Txs for adressing my post Dacster and for asking a :locked:

Now I know how serious you are about dealing with valid topics partaining to ROE.

You just lost my support for what you guys strive for.

[imported_Casper]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

I've got an idea, how about, if you don't like the server rules...leave! Or don't join them at all. God, half the people on here spend more time pissin and moaning about statpadders and servers tat violate BFROE, imagine how much better this forum would be if EVERYONE stopped! IF you don't like pistol and knife servers, don't play, if you don't like an aspect of this game, AVOID them! It's soo much easier than reporting them, and thinking your e-penis just got bigger. It doesnt....

The issue is it is ranked. If it was not ranked nobody would care. But because of the ranks and such there must be a standard set to make all servers as fair and equal as possible.

I am all for stat padders and anything else like that because they destroy the whole ranking system and make it null and void...

[Jemme101]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

The issue is it is ranked. If it was not ranked nobody would care. But because of the ranks and such there must be a standard set to make all servers as fair and equal as possible.

I am all for stat padders and anything else like that because they destroy the whole ranking system and make it null and void...

Try reading what has been posted previously in this thread before you chipped in your 2 cents, there is no padding or any abuse of the ranking system going on at their server

[imported_Casper]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

I read it. You just do not like what I had to say.

The second part of what I was saying was in general about stats. Most people say they do not play for stats or do not care about stats... which is a lie or else these whole conversations would not be going on in the first place and unranked servers would be doing great. If stat padders went wild and other things happend to make all the points and ranks bogus... then the system would fall and it would be about the game again... and not about the stats.

[shiftymoves]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

I'm sorry if I offened you! My words still stands, and I might add you failed to comment on. The ROE is a living document for the community.
Its debat that brought it about, its debat that changes it.
ROE has been changed before, mabe its time to be changed again.
Its upto the community. Thank you for not closing the thread.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

BF2 is based on a stats system, on which are based both global ranking system and unlocks system. Which means that both need a system where all participants score up in the SAME manner to ensure an equal and fair environment.

Snipers/Infantry*/K&P/Vehicles/*******es ONLY gamemodes are NOT allowed simply because they bring points in an unfair manner, thus according to BFROE being illegal.

How hard is this to get, I just understand you people!

You want "fun" back in the game? Get off the Mr Stats d!ck and unclick the "ranked" box and look for an altered unranked server. OR! Better yet, make your OWN unranked server with altered server content, various limitations to weaponry or whatever.

You guys are too eager to forget that you can literally do whatever the FVCK you want if you play or own an unranked server.

[Jemme101]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

Too bad that some people here still dont understand that the way that sniper server was setup has nothing to do with getting points unfair. They only wanted to ensure that they could concentrate on the sniping part of the game instead of doing other stuff as well. Being ranked helps them to fill up their server.
Maybe this is too much of a strain on the brain for some, but that is what I understood from the information I read.

But seeing as the guys that can make a difference are busy upholding the law whenever they please and see fit and not adressing something like this AND seeing that a part of the community cannt do anything else but reply the same crap over and over again by go unranked or whatever else they can come up with, I am no longer gonna pursue it. As far as I am concerned you can all sod of.

[IndianScout]

Re: Is this a BFRoE Violation (no crossing center map)

Now those are Rules of engagement, are they not?
Indian Scout, I have thought you were a reasonable person. Have YOU ever played on snipers only? If not how can you form an opinion,

My personal opinion has no bearing on whether I like a type of game play or not, the ROE was adopted to keep a level playing field for all players.

if they want to play sniper only and set bounries on a map then let them do it unranked.

after I handed off the ROE to EA it's not MY rules it's theirs, we only enforce what is given to us..

and the ROE states

2.3.1 Disallowed “In-House” Ranked Server Rules:

Server Administrators may not implement or enforce server rules on ranked servers that prohibit players from using any roles, kits, weapons, vehicles or other features of the game while playing on their server. Examples of such rules that would violate the conditions of use are:

(a) Preventing any players from being Commander or Squad Leaders.

(b) Preventing any players from using certain vehicles such as jets, helicopters or tanks.

(c) Preventing any players from using commander assets (artillery, vehicle drop, UAV or scans).

(d) Preventing any players from using certain weapons or items (such as flashbangs or C4) or enforcing a “pistol only” or “knife only” server rule.

so this discussion is really a moot point now isnt it..