G36E - Jesus Christ!

[Chevy-SS]

Re: G36E - Jesus Christ!

.......Also, random luck rarely makes a huge difference to me on the range. ......

Agreed. I have shot many weapons myself over the years at various ranges, and competed in numerous shooting sports. Colt .45ACP combat shooting was my favorite.

However, I've never been in real combat situation, but seems to me there is a TON of random, stupid luck there.

I like the game as I think they've made a decent effort at capturing realism.

One other point about luck; bad connections, lag, packet drop, etc, all these things affect outcome of the game, so even if there was no "cone of fire", there would still be other elements contributing to the uncertainty of it all, heheh.

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[imported_Diarrabies]

Re: G36E - Jesus Christ!

G36E isn't a noob weapon, but it's still unbalanced

best accuracy, lowest recoil, lowest deviation added per shot and lowest deviation added when strafing of all ARs

Deviation while strafing? Are you kidding? First of all, who gives a crap. Second of all, you forgot to mention that it's in a 3 way tie for lowest deviation while strafing with the AK47 and the M16A2. (half the other Medic AR's)
Deviation per shot is almost the same story. The AK101, AK47, and M16 all are .02. The G36E is .03 less than that. For all you math wizards out there, it's REAL REAL close to zero difference.

Look at those weapons charts again. Compare the M16A2 with the G36E. Now why is it that NO ONE would EVER say that the M16 is overpowered, but the G36E is one of the most complained about AR's out there? THEY ARE PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL.

The damage difference is almost negligible. It still takes the same number of bullets to kill someone. Accuracy difference is barely noticable (.05). Recoil is slightly lower with the G36E, but if lower recoil makes a gun "unbalanced" then you guys need to find some better things to complain about.

Btw, just to clarify for all of you.
Noob Weapon- any weapon used by someone who doesn't know that "Guns don't kill people, People kill people."

[G916F9]

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Deviation while strafing? Are you kidding? First of all, who gives a crap. Second of all, you forgot to mention that it's in a 3 way tie for lowest deviation while strafing with the AK47 and the M16A2. (half the other Medic AR's)

I think it's very important, the lower deviation while strafing:quicker time for the deviation to return when you stop moving
and don't you find yourself strafing a lot in CQC?

Deviation per shot is almost the same story. The AK101, AK47, and M16 all are .02. The G36E is .03 less than that. For all you math wizards out there, it's REAL REAL close to zero difference.

you'll find out the difference when you're trying to pull bursts at mid range

Look at those weapons charts again. Compare the M16A2 with the G36E. Now why is it that NO ONE would EVER say that the M16 is overpowered, but the G36E is one of the most complained about AR's out there? THEY ARE PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL.

The damage difference is almost negligible. It still takes the same number of bullets to kill someone. Accuracy difference is barely noticable (.05). Recoil is slightly lower with the G36E, but if lower recoil makes a gun "unbalanced" then you guys need to find some better things to complain about.

M16 > G36E IMO
Why? just like what you said before
Tactics > weapon
M16 goes better with my play style

Nice question though:
"Now why is it that NO ONE would EVER say that the M16 is overpowered, but the G36E is one of the most complained about AR's out there?"

Probably because of :low recoil + high accuracy added together AT THE SAME TIME

I found out it can win those 15~40 meters "both go prone" situation most of the time

Just Guessing.......:)

[Bloodsport]

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I thought I'd add my little bit to this.

The G36E is the best medic gun by far. Fact. If I use it I'm almost guaranteed to get gold in most rounds. It's got an insane shots to kill ratio comared to any other gun in the game bar the PKM and RPK-74 (excluding shotguns now). It's so accurate and powerfull it's hard to believe.

I use this gun all the way up till First Sergeant, then when I started playing in clanwars I realised I'd better get used to stock weapons as most don't allow unlcoks.

The AK 101 is an insane rifle. The ability to one shot kill at distance, and just mow down enemies on full auto in CQB is a definate asset. One on one vs the G36E in CQB I'd say this would own someone with a G63E unless they knew how to use it.

The M16A2 is the most underated gun in the game. The accuracy, believe it or not is better the the G36E, but it's the lack of firepower that balances this out. I can take most enemies down with the M16A2 before they get one shot in. But I'd still prefer to use the G36E.

I often find myself using the M16A2 or the AK101 and getting owned by people with the G36E. I simply switch and the owning soon turns around.

One final point, people should ask themselves why, normally that players of a high rank (1st lt and above) only use stock guns. I think it's a sign of skill.

[Hurricane.CAD]

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One final point, people should ask themselves why, normally that players of a high rank (1st lt and above) only use stock guns. I think it's a sign of skill.

Does not compute.

[Chevy-SS]

Re: G36E - Jesus Christ!

When the heck does the G36E become available? What point level?


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[Bubas]

Re: G36E - Jesus Christ!

A noob weapon is any weapon used by noobs.

If you are an experienced soldier, almost in every situation, if you face a noob 1 on 1, you will win.

The diference between the guns doesn´t justify all the ranting.

The problem is that the weapon is used by very skilled players in this game...and it´s used because it´s a little better than the others.

I don´t believe that people prefer to use stock weapons because they think that using the others gives them easy kills...no one likes to die, no one want´s to be owned.

I use the stock weapons just for one reason, in the wars my clan plays it is only allowed to use them, so I must train with them.

[Bloodsport]

Re: G36E - Jesus Christ!

Does not compute.

Well what I mean is that on my server at least, the majority of the high ranking people only ever use stock guns. I don't really use unlocks anymore, not because I don't want to, but I'm fed up of people calling me a noob on the pure basis that I use them. I get just as good points with the stock guns.

I used to be a PKM whore, but now that I've discovored the RPK is much better suited to my style of play, I prefer using it.

Hope that makes sence.

[imported_rhohan]

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... i find myself appalled at the bitching and moaning that goes on this forum. Guys, it is an unlocked gun. If you don't like how overpowered it is, go get your *** on the battlefield, get an unlock, and UNLOCK IT. bam! problem solved. Now you get to use it.

bitchers like you guys get stuff nerfed, and I am sick of it.

my usage with the g43 is limited to US, as personally, the AK101 kicks the CRAP out of the g43. i can kill way more people with it. strike + mec + ak101 / medic === 80+ point game for me.

[firescout555]

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that is just one hell of a argument i've seen on the G36E... but what about G36C(spec-ops), that gun works just as good as any guns i've used. but it was unbelivablely accurate. i can even own 5 of them before being kill by some skilled random guy. it was just simple: use full auto, fire in burst and you own. i always go prone when i engage them in a fire fight...

[RingPirate]

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Hm, I'm not complaining but can't you peolple just admit the G36e is a superior weapon? No question an expierenced player can own a 'noob' with an M16, but that's not the point. I use(d - just quit playing) the stock weapons alot just for a change, but if I wanted points, everything optimal and the odds on my side i would soley use the G36e.

Anyhow don't nerve that weapon, wouldn't make much difference, the game rocks, I think it could even be a little unerved. Diffecault to do of course so just leave it like it is...

[MrBenis]

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One final point, people should ask themselves why, normally that players of a high rank (1st lt and above) only use stock guns. I think it's a sign of skill.

If I made a video of what we do on the iconz 3 kark24/7, you'd see why the M16 and Ak101 are functionally superior to the G36E.

For starters, M16 when zoomed has a pinpoint accurate (and totally consistant) bullet path in semi.

AK101 can't shoot accurately for beans, but why would ya need to? It's a shotgun in the right hands. The GL helps a lot too, if for nothing else than spooking the enemy.

[firescout555]

Re: G36E - Jesus Christ!

ya i agree with you. i normally use a spray method as i hate to use single rounds or burst in CQC. hence i always use other guns other than M16 in CQC
until i got a L85, which proved excellent in mid range single shooting than spraying.
i still have not gotten used to using the G36E but more used to G36C instead, much easy to use if you know how to control your burst...:p

[ramsie1]

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One final point, people should ask themselves why, normally that players of a high rank (1st lt and above) only use stock guns. I think it's a sign of skill.

I think its more to do with clan matches where you only get to use stock weapons + some just like a change

[AllFoamNoBeer]

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Deviation while strafing? Are you kidding? First of all, who gives a crap. Second of all, you forgot to mention that it's in a 3 way tie for lowest deviation while strafing with the AK47 and the M16A2. (half the other Medic AR's)
Deviation per shot is almost the same story. The AK101, AK47, and M16 all are .02. The G36E is .03 less than that. For all you math wizards out there, it's REAL REAL close to zero difference.

Look at those weapons charts again. Compare the M16A2 with the G36E. Now why is it that NO ONE would EVER say that the M16 is overpowered, but the G36E is one of the most complained about AR's out there? THEY ARE PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL.

The damage difference is almost negligible. It still takes the same number of bullets to kill someone. Accuracy difference is barely noticable (.05). Recoil is slightly lower with the G36E, but if lower recoil makes a gun "unbalanced" then you guys need to find some better things to complain about.

Btw, just to clarify for all of you.
Noob Weapon- any weapon used by someone who doesn't know that "Guns don't kill people, People kill people."

man, that is perfect. good explanation!

I dont see why people whine when a weapon is 'superior' to another, when they arent that different.

take for example the RPK 74, the thing owns at short - medium range.
The PKM owns everywhere and anywhere... but still, the have the advantages. ROF, reload time, overheat time etc etc....