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[royaljewellz]

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Please.....no more patches!!! If EA wants to make everyone happy the patching would never end. part of the reason why EA went through some bogus patches before 1.4 is because they had a tendency to listen to all the whining. 1.4 is the best patch ever and now the game is as good as its going to get. If you still think further "ballance" is needed either develop your own game and then your class will be perfect, or try something other than BF2.

I totally agree with this. No more patches are needed. I'm so sick of all the whining about dolphin diving this, and whoring that. If people actually took the time to learn to shoot, dolphin diving wouldn't be a problem, because you could kill them with ease. I don't even have near the best accuracy, and yet I rarely die from a dolphin diver. That's if I even see one...which I haven't in awhile. Also, why change the kits? Who cares how people choose to get points. Why do people care so much about how everybody else gets points, as long as they are doing it without "cheating"? I like the stats. I like being able to track my progress, see if I'm improving my gameplay, or sucking more then before. The thing I hate about the stats is that everybody is so concerned with how everybody else gets their points. If everybody would just play the game and worry about themselves, it would be much better without crappy patch after crappy patch. Besides IO, because I haven't tried it yet, and the F35 being horrible, the game is fine as it is. Leave it alone!!

[scott123]

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I think BF2 is as good as it can be. Its just too bad EA didn't make this the 1st patch instead of the last. I like all the modes including IO. In fact this latest patch with the new map is a total blast.

He tells me to fuc* off and I need to chill?

All Im saying is...IT'S JUST A FREAKIN GAME. You might want to consider taking it a little less seriously.

[kenof2142]

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I think before they make any "adjustments" to the current game play they REALLY need to fix the broken code, bugs and balance (see nerf UP the f35) and then and only then, add more things like this.

Fix the previous crap and then work on tweaking things. As far as patches, 1.4 is pretty stable but I surely miss my 1.22 .

[CensoredByGod]

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My solution is YOU stop complaining about people proposing bug fixes.
If YOU don't like to read suggestions on game improvement then take your own advice and fuc* off yourself.

The things you have refferenced have nothing to do with bug fixes, they are simply game play changes that you feel would "balance" the game. If it were in fact "bugs" you were discussing I would have a different opinion about the motivation for your thread. As it stands all your "concerns" revolve around "balance" and "points" and are therefore lame.

As stated, leave the fcukin game alone and either learn to find your own balance and adapt or fcuk off. As for me fcuking off, Im not the one who's crying that everything is wrong with the game. I dont care who gets what points or how, Im here to play the game the way it was made and enjoy myself killing people without consequence.

Now then please refrain from quoting me and giving me a problem, you seem to think you can start these useless bit**fest threads and Im not allowed to tell you how gay I think it (and you) are. Nob.

[Combat-Quokka]

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The OP complains about people having 'emotive rantings', 'infantile behaviour' and more importantly, 'repetitive whining' when this entire thread is just one big long armour-whore WHINGE about how is points don't mean as much to him anymore, because of a mode of game-play he doesn't even have to play.

Let me guess, you're one of the non-rugby playing kiwi's.

Don't like it. Don't play it. Go download some porn so you can re-prioritize.

And ffs, leave the fn game alone.

[Lazza66]

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The OP complains about people having 'emotive rantings', 'infantile behaviour' and more importantly, 'repetitive whining' when this entire thread is just one big long armour-whore WHINGE about how is points don't mean as much to him anymore, because of a mode of game-play he doesn't even have to play.

Let me guess, you're one of the non-rugby playing kiwi's.

Don't like it. Don't play it. Go download some porn so you can re-prioritize.

And ffs, leave the fn game alone.

You flipped your cork when I suggested that your much touted and successful "unpredictable" opening routes to Karkand and Jalalabad were a crock of shyte, which they are.

Since then you've tagged more shyte onto nearly every post I've made, indicative of your disturbed personality. Anyone who reads your litany of lies, fraudulent "quotations", abandoned arguments and mistaken conclusions through these threads will see how low your credibility really is.

It's obvious that rather than say "lock" (which would then cast a different light on the motivation for your personalised inflammatory remarks), you've chosen to degrade every thread you disagree with into an abusive flaming session. I'm not willing to continue to lower the tone here to a level that you seem quite at home with, don't expect any more responses.

[PHPT]

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There is no way to make a point system that only awards points when you're doing something that benefits your team. There will always be a way to be useless and get tons of points for it, there will always be beneficial actions that you're penalized for.

In other words, the only way to stop point farming is to get rid of the stats/points system entirely.

[graag]

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Lazza66,

"Different scores for different flags" was there just to point out that there can't be a fair stats system. Want another example? If I run infront a tank to keep him occupied while my teammate blows it up with C4 he'll get 2 points and I'll only get a death. Another? In one of our last clanwars the most valuable player on our side had 3 kills, 20+ deaths and a negative teamscore, thus ending the round with lowest score. He was flying F35 on Dalian Plant and kept the J10s occupied so that others could do their job. And yeah, we did win.

Maybe changing the parameters would make for a fairer stats but they still wouldn't be fair as the system itself is flawed. Besides, changing the parameters now, when the stats are gathered for more than a year would be even worse and cause an uproar much worse than when the awards/ribbon/ranks requirements were changed. Maybe all the stats should be reset and we should start from zero?

Once again: stats don't show how good a player is, especially not other players stats. They can't show his skill, they can't show his contribution to the team. BF is a team game - the one & only important stat would be the Win/Lose ratio in a controlled environment (it's easy: get a clan, enter a ladder/cup/tournament) which public servers aren't. Even if DICE implemented a Win factor or point bonus it still wouldn't be fair. It would even make the things worse with team switching or stacking.

[Lazza66]

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There is no way to make a point system that only awards points when you're doing something that benefits your team. There will always be a way to be useless and get tons of points for it, there will always be beneficial actions that you're penalized for.

In other words, the only way to stop point farming is to get rid of the stats/points system entirely.

Yes, but there is a stats system, and there would be a bit of an uproar if it was dropped. Why not improve as and where possible.

Lazza66,

"Different scores for different flags" was there just to point out that there can't be a fair stats system.

Yeah, I know whay you're saying. The decoy ploy is a good example. If the stats system isn't removed then the points per class should be evened, and the stats system used where possible to promote teamplay. Currently players are quite happy to let their team lose, if it means gold. If it's a little harder to do that, and a little easier to get points from teamplay / flags etc then surely thats a better overall direction for gameplay.

[PHPT]

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Yes, but there is a stats system, and there would be a bit of an uproar if it was dropped. Why not improve as and where possible.

An example of why: People don't drop medkits because they get more points that way, they drop them because in-hand healing is retardedly slow and doesn't work unless you know someone's injured.

So if you take away the points from medkit dropping, the people who are trying to keep their teammates alive get punished, and the "point whores" will just wind up NOT dropping medkits and saving their charges for revives instead.

That's exactly the problem, "point whoring" is simply taking a system designed for rewarding productive behavior and doing it in a non-productive context. At the very least, it encourages productivity among people who would otherwise just go fragging, so I'm generally against changes to it unless they're going to promote a shift to MORE-productive behavior and/or stop rewarding something in situations where it's clearly not productive.

People accuse medics of being point whores all the time, but for the most part, that "point whoring" is extremely beneficial to their team, and taking that away means they'll switch to something else that's probably going to be less productive than keeping their teammates alive.

The delay on resupply points and the block on double-resupplies works because you still get rewarded for supplying teammates, you just don't get rewarded for spamming it on one person every time they reload, wasting time you could be spending shooting the bad guys.

[CyberPitz]

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I've NUMEROUSLY gotten top scorer as AT on Karkand. the ERYX/SRAW make great infantry killers when there's no tanks around, and the fact they have armor is great. Plus their guns and/or unlocks are awesome.

[Desertfox]

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What is point farming? Is it where you farm points like the picture.

[Lazza66]

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An example of why: People don't drop medkits because they get more points that way, they drop them because in-hand healing is retardedly slow and doesn't work unless you know someone's injured.

Yeah, that's why the suggestion included "Adjust the healing rate as required for balance".

So if you take away the points from medkit dropping, the people who are trying to keep their teammates alive get punished, and the "point whores" will just wind up NOT dropping medkits and saving their charges for revives instead.

Heals only account for 1/3 or 1/4 of a medics team points usually, with revives making up most of the rest. With the medkit nerf they'll still get the usual amount of revives, but if they want heal points they'll have to stick with their squad and stay close. This should promote teamplay by preventing them running off elsewhere doing their own thing. There may be other better ways of achieving the same effect.

People accuse medics of being point whores all the time, but for the most part, that "point whoring" is extremely beneficial to their team, and taking that away means they'll switch to something else that's probably going to be less productive than keeping their teammates alive.

Yes, each revive is one ticket kept for the team also. The medkit nerf isn't that much of a nerf, the objective isn't to nerf the medic kit, it's to "normalise" the points across classes, and with the improvements to those other classes they stand a better chance of closing the gap.

The delay on resupply points and the block on double-resupplies works because you still get rewarded for supplying teammates, you just don't get rewarded for spamming it on one person every time they reload, wasting time you could be spending shooting the bad guys.

Also a good idea. I had the objective of keeping the squad together in mind. If the Support class had to hold and re-supply then they have less incentive to break formation. They can still leave the bags behind, but they'll get more points by staying together.

[ScottMcCoy]

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Yet I am not sure how UAV's work in real life (if it works on body heat or movement).

There are several versions of UAV's. Some of them just taking shots in a high resolution. Others are equipped with radar, infrared sights and so on. Also there are armed drones with Hellfire missiles. The configuration depends on the mission.
The drones in Battlefield 2 look like the RQ-1 Predator from the US Army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drohne_%28Flugzeug%29

[Lazza66]

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The things you have refferenced have nothing to do with bug fixes, they are simply game play changes that you feel would "balance" the game. If it were in fact "bugs" you were discussing I would have a different opinion about the motivation for your thread. As it stands all your "concerns" revolve around "balance" and "points" and are therefore lame.

You're scraping the bottom of the barrel there. The thread title is "Fix for point farming -" is it not? 20 odd posts into the thread and I erroneously called "game tweaks" bugs. I am sorry. My motivation for the thread should have been clear from the thread title and the first post. May I suggest in future that you read the thread title and the o.p. lest you become disillusioned again.

As stated, leave the fcukin game alone and either learn to find your own balance and adapt or fcuk off. As for me fcuking off, Im not the one who's crying that everything is wrong with the game. I dont care who gets what points or how, Im here to play the game the way it was made and enjoy myself killing people without consequence.

You're suggesting the game was made so 5 inf could lay behind a rock bluff, lobbing grenades over the top, for 20 minutes straight, then rinse and repeat until the second coming?

Now then please refrain from quoting me and giving me a problem, you seem to think you can start these useless bit**fest threads and Im not allowed to tell you how gay I think it (and you) are. Nob.

Do you seriously think that your "points" like "fuc* off", and "stop whining", and "how gay I think it (and you) are" will in any way aid your case when this thread is viewed by anyone considering it's merit? Your posts are doing nothing but increasing the chances that changes will be made, because you don't have a single point to offer, only petty name calling and abuse. You can't see that though can you, more's the pity.

There are several versions of UAV's. Some of them just taking shots in a high resolution. Others are equipped with radar, infrared sights and so on. Also there are armed drones with Hellfire missiles. The configuration depends on the mission.

I saw a video clip taken by a UAV. It was using an infra red camera to locate an insurgent mortar team, after locating them it sent them to Allah with a hellfire missile.