The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

excellent post Radar. i’d be careful though, you're being way to logical, and are using far to much common sense for this place. it could be dangerous.

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im buying bf2142 just to smite you =)

Don't you mean to SPITE him?

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Boy Mr. 2 Post, you sure wasted a lot of time and effort just to say "EA Sux"

QFT

i can't believe people sign up just to complain about EA. how the F cares you hate some megalomaniacal corporate publishing company? we all do. and i'll still be playing BF and enjoying it while you are wasting your time posting about how much it sucks.

never ceases to amaze me just how much time people will spend on hate.

[stilla-killa]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

like i said if u dont like it u dont have to play it so get the hell out we wont miss u

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They make patches to fix bugs - the patches EA make create bugs.

- There should be one patch that keeps updating. Then, one day, that patch might be stable enough to play the game safely and properly.

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EA is a company I love to hate. Simple as that.

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Propably one of the best posts in this forums, Radar.

But IO was requested by some, if I remember right, and IO ain`t that bad of a feature you know. Other than that, well done.

BUT when it comes to war simulators, then OFP and RO clearly beat the s*it out of BF when it comes to combined arms, inf or just air to air combat

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If I were to add something to the history, I think it's important to mention that BF1942 raised the bar. There had never been a serious attempt before (and perhaps not since..lol) to create a true combined-arms game that incorporated land, air & sea in a somewhat balanced fashion. Only Desert Combat ever managed to achieve balance.

A less popular game that accomplished the same thing was Planetside. It was futuristic though, and they DID have laser-guns (energy weapons).

It was also an MMOFPS so there was a $10/month subscription fee in exchange for a persistent environment to fight in and over.

It was actually a really fun game. I played of for more than a year before it finally got a little boring and they introduced BFRs (Mech-warrior things) that were totally out of balance.

I'm still waiting for somebody to come along and make a true MMOFPS to followup on Planetside...

Imagine a continent 10 times the size of Kubra Dam with 10 bases on it, being faught over by 3 armies, each with their own technology and style... Player-organized armies of Tanks, Fighter Aircraft, Light Bombers, Heavy bombers, troop transports, Light tanks, mobile spawn points (cloaked mobile spawn points)..... then imagine the total number of enemies on a continent is somewhere around 500 players... It was the craziest war environment I ever saw in any game.

The BF Franchise did it first, but Planetside did it bigger.

But yeah.... anyway, I'm totally off track... lol.

I miss planetside.

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

An excellent post, capturing the history of the BF franchise and how the design-philosophies behind it went from "let's make something new and awesome" to "let's find the lowest common denominator to optimize sales".

If I were to add something to the history, I think it's important to mention that BF1942 raised the bar. There had never been a serious attempt before (and perhaps not since..lol) to create a true combined-arms game that incorporated land, air & sea in a somewhat balanced fashion. Only Desert Combat ever managed to achieve balance.

Since then there has been no alternative to the BF franchise. 1942 hooked us all and since then every other developer has failed in the most pathetic way possible:

JoWood's "Soldner: Secret Wars": Promised spectacular innovations such as mega-maps and destrutible environments - failed miserably to deliver anything playable.
Novalogic's "Joint Operations": Promised some impressive new ideas such as foliage system, a usable sniper-role, huge maps - failed to find any balance and was abandoned by the player community without making a dent in BF market shares
America's Army: promising and delivering what was promised - but suffered from being too "dry". Appeals mostly to "purists" and "simluator fans". Doesn't deliver the entertainment value and is no threat to BF.

The bottom line: BF1942 and prominent mods, foremost among which are Desert Combat, EOD and Galactic Conquest created and grew a combined-arms player-community. The mods in particular, raised the bar for what could be done and for what the player-community expects out of a game like this.

Since BF1942, DC, EOD and GC there has been no real alternative in the genre. BF2 is overrun with "newcomers" who, for a large part, isn't even aware of the origins that are the precursor to BF2 - and they have a lot less expectations. Stats/ranks/unlocks and medals have attracted the type of players who like MMORPGS where you can "level up".

This has diluted the core of what made BF1942 and the mods mentioned above, the quality-games that they were. BF2 is rushed, sloppy, full of errors, unbalanced and appeals to the Jerry Springer crowd of the military FPS genre. It's called "lowest common denominator".

But it is a great market-success. Money is made, hand over fist, because of it and of course the philosophy behind BF2142 is going to be just like it. We live in a new era now - where people think that McDonalds is food and where "popular" = "quality". It's quantity over quality.

The BF franchise has gone from new and innovative to mainstream. It's a business - I don't blame them and I would have done the same if I were the CEO.

However, it should not go unnoticed by those of us with a sense of history.

Cheers :-)

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omg I had the feeling somebody like you would come up

I have groupies, awesome.

My point is, the OP gave a totally unnecessary history lesson of the BF Franchise, then posted some un-truths about the upcomming patch and bug fixed and served up a big steaming cup of doom & gloom.

People, EA is not asleep at the wheel, they've been developing and producing software since before most of the posters on this board were in middle-school so forgive me if I dont take the general whiny ramblings of a few squeaky wheels seriously...

The game is not in jeopardy simply because a few people think it is... this isnt Wikipedia, you cant toss crap against the wall and get some people to agree with you, and claim it as a fact...

I think EA are going the wrong way with 2142. One of the things that attracted me to 42, BFV and BF2 (as well as Joint Opps and Viet Cong earlier) was the war simulater \ reality aspect of the game.

I can shoot zombies with lasers all day long in Half Life, Doom or Far Cry. I want a war sim, not Mechwarrior.

I wont be buying BF2142, not because of BF2's problems but because the scenario blows, in my humble opinion

And for this lunacy...

BF2142 has no laser guns and no zombies and no monsters in general...

It's a war simulator set in the near future...and besides, dont buy it if you dont like it, nobody will give a crap. I promise.

That's another thing that irritates me about forums... People think we care what they will and wont buy or how they feel about things. We dont, and while EA's politically correct public relations machine would like you to think they care what you think, your $50 contribution to their bottomline is so insignificant I wont even provide an analogy for it.

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All the original poster has proven to me is that he knows nothing about general software development. While I agree, to an extent, with a majority of his points, he still fails to understand the standard software development lifecycle. With any commercial software, a majority of the releases are generally roadmapped anywhere from 6 to 12 months in advance of the actual release...hence the reason I suspect for "new features the community didn't ask for." As for bug fixes, the only bug I can't understand EA/DICE not fixing quickly is the crashing introduced by 1.3. All others to me are a moot point. People will continue to exploit the game to their advantage. This has been true of any game I have ever played. Try playing CS:S. Same stink, different day. I'm willing to bet more people cry about exploits, hacks, bugs, etc than the people that cry about BF2. Steam was the biggest piece of crap for the longest time when it first came out, but now it actually runs quite smoothly. I see no reason for BF2 to be any different. For the record, I love BF2 and will be first in line to buy BF2142. And while many of you feel like these forums represent the majority view, I would venture that you are quite wrong. In fact, I'd guess probably more than half of the BF2 players worldwide never even read these forums and are probably quite content playing BF2 the way it is.

Besides, EA made the move to let YOU test 1.4, so get off your lazy butt and do it. It seems to me at least they are moving in the right direction and listening to some of your feedback.

[ptegan]

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Good history lesson up until the point when things were just wrong.

EA BF2 1.4 Beta 1 patch did not fix any bugs, at all. As a matter of fact more bugs became more prevalent. The game actually got worse as a result and the community was no longer disappointed they were pissed..

1.4beta1 fixed all the server bugs introduced by 1.3

Read the forums. Most of the beta testers are happy with the patch as it is.

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6 pages, 3027 words and all it really says is "BF42 was awesome, there were some cool mods along the way, and BF2 is in the crapper".

See how easy that was?

omg I had the feeling somebody like you would come up

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

6 pages, 3027 words and all it really says is "BF42 was awesome, there were some cool mods along the way, and BF2 is in the crapper".

See how easy that was?

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I think EA are going the wrong way with 2142. One of the things that attracted me to 42, BFV and BF2 (as well as Joint Opps and Viet Cong earlier) was the war simulater \ reality aspect of the game.

I can shoot zombies with lasers all day long in Half Life, Doom or Far Cry. I want a war sim, not Mechwarrior.

I wont be buying BF2142, not because of BF2's problems but because the scenario blows, in my humble opinion