Macros, yay or nay.

[lostinspace]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

I guess the conclusion of this thread can be that some concider macro's cheating and some do not...

The ones that feel they are cheats are frustrated about people using them and the ones using them are happy...

Also, it seems there are just a few people that realize that someone like solo chopper pilots who never seem to miss a tv missile, don't always use macro's, but may just be clever in their keysetup...
Beeing able to press 10 times a second for guiding tv missile, beeing an example of a clever keysetup...

I am pretty sure, that if I were to explain my keysetup here, some will concider it like cheating, couse they don't have the time or knowledge to adjust their own...

[jjames010]

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it's funny how many people's decisions about macros cheating/not cheating is soley based on an "unfair advantage" arguement espically since the hardware is available for anyone to purchase.

So, I could easily construct the same arguement about 3 year old technology vs bleeding edge as I will do below.

A person running a 20 ping with 100+FPS rate against a dinosaur PC with a 20FPS has a clear advantage. Anyone want to call the bleeding edge user a cheater?

The G5, Razor and a few other mouse options out there have more keys. If I have more keys on my mouse I have an unfair advantage. Want to call that person a cheater?

If I live close to the server and I have a 60ms difference in latenc. That's an advantage as well.

My point. The hardware technology is here. Use it or not - it's not cheating. The G15 board does NOT hack the BF2 files.

I have the G15 - it's a great board but because the reach is pretty far from the WASD keys it's really more of a pain to run a macro since I have to move my hand off the primary movement keys in order to run a macro.

j

[lostinspace]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

yeah, i too find it strange that most people dont go, and mess around with game files, and edit things... i mean, what a crazy world we are living in. This is an outrage.!!!
PEOPLE OF THE WORLD......UNITE, AND EDIT YOUR .CON, .NET, .UTX and ANY OTHER FILE IN THE GAMES FOLDER...........STAND UP AND EDIT!

Just incase you or anyone reading this, changes their mind and/or has questions about editing the keysetting file of battlefield manually:

http://www.forumplanet.com/planetbat...id=1671636&p=1

Feel free to ask me anything there (after dooing a search offcourse)...

It will make an end to all the invisible 'duplicate key found' stuff and other common problems with binding keys...

It will also make your game a lot more adjustable and userfriendly... I still cannot believe how much the developers simply screwed up in making a the current keysetup...

Have a good one :)

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

curse u macros, so thats why i saw a guy flopping around the other day.

[davis.cnj618]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

nostromo 52 yay

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Ditto, the key layout is absolutley great. This nostromo n52 has been the best thing for my gaming. That and a good mouse - who needs macros?

While I have the ability to use them, I don't.

Besides, not a macro in the world will save someone walking around a corner into a claymore. :dead: After I see someone using macros, I use alternative methods to ruin thier day.

[JonnyMacFred102]

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It's funny how 85 loser noobs voted macros as not cheating, yet only 1 or 2 of them actually posted why with their opinions (most like they knew how much they would be embarassed).

Why play if the damn keyboard macro does all the work? Oh yeah, t's the points, i forgot. It's all about points and stats.

Hence why stats mean NOTHING.

It's quite funny though seeing a noob flopping around and shooting with perfect accuracy, i'll admit...

[jjames010]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

It's funny how 85 loser noobs voted macros as not cheating, yet only 1 or 2 of them actually posted why with their opinions (most like they knew how much they would be embarassed).

Personally, I would like to see how this poll would change if per-say everyone had a G15 before voting. Then it would be more accurate reflecton IMO.

We can argue all day/night about this topic. Unless things have recently changed, TWL/CAL do not consdier the full use of a G15 as a cheat. It's called new technology. Use it or be gone with yourself. G15 FTW!

BTW - I owned before the G15. I continue to own now, with or without a G15 macro.

J

[abtomat74]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

Poll needs a 3rd option: isn't cheating, but rather for players with no honor.

Anyone can "purchase" skill.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

it's funny how many people's decisions about macros cheating/not cheating is soley based on an "unfair advantage" arguement espically since the hardware is available for anyone to purchase.

So, I could easily construct the same arguement about 3 year old technology vs bleeding edge as I will do below.

A person running a 20 ping with 100+FPS rate against a dinosaur PC with a 20FPS has a clear advantage. Anyone want to call the bleeding edge user a cheater?

The G5, Razor and a few other mouse options out there have more keys. If I have more keys on my mouse I have an unfair advantage. Want to call that person a cheater?

If I live close to the server and I have a 60ms difference in latenc. That's an advantage as well.

My point. The hardware technology is here. Use it or not - it's not cheating. The G15 board does NOT hack the BF2 files.

I have the G15 - it's a great board but because the reach is pretty far from the WASD keys it's really more of a pain to run a macro since I have to move my hand off the primary movement keys in order to run a macro.

j

Youre way too concentrated on the direct meaning of "disadvantage".

What is being discussed, is disadvantage in the frames of gameplay. What DICE constructed.

[Erich]

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So then someone with say an AMD 4800 Dual core and 2 Nvidia 7900's in an SLI setup is cheating since they can process information so much faster than those of us running simple 64 bit X3200 processors? If anyone who wants to use it can...IT'S NOT A CHEAT!!!!!! crack open the wallet and pick up a G-15.

That was the lamest thing to compare to macro's.
EA made the game like all others games to bind 1 action to 1 key. Not to allow 2 actions to 1 key. Thats unfair in my book. Its not that you can process information faster. Its that with a macro you can bind actions that are so fast that its impossible to they human hand to do. Lets say? (I'll go offtopic in Gunz.) For example. you have access to swords which you can block bullets with. But people found a way to bind the block key with the attack key to do both at the same time which you can't do without a macro. In otherwards you can't hit the player. Which seems way unfair; Let me go just buy a keyboard to use macro's and defy how the game was supposed to be played on ligit servers yeah thats way unfair. your not an @$$.

[Combat-Quokka]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

No other word for it. Cheating.

[Cazzy]

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Why not have some more advanced macros that play the entire game for you? You could sit back and enjoy a nice piece of fresh, farm grown, organic fruit while your macro enabled buddy stat padded and compiled points for you!

[xxxidlexidolxxx]

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I haven't and won't ever use macros, it's a matter of personal ethics. Seems to me that even an perfect streak of games against someone who doesn't utilize all the crutches afforded to them, whether legal or not, is a marginal victory at best. I'm sure it makes some people feel better about their game when they manage to pull of one of these pre-canned work-arounds... but it's hollow to anyone who actually places merit in their true skills or values their gaming experience.

If I wanted to cop cheap tactics to boost imaginary stats or fatten my KDR (which, in reality, mean very little... even inside the game, itself), I'd go play knife and pistol with the rest of the point-horders and stat-padders (which after about two minutes of, I was ready to ban myself from).

I may die to these tactics the first time or two, more power to you, but once I see who it is and recognize you, you're gonna find that the next dive you pull will put you face to face with a couple of nades. And in the end, all that your macro will have afforded you, is a worn-out tactical handicap that is as predictable as it is easy to overcome.

Just my two cents,
Idle

[AlphaNut]

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I may die to these tactics the first time or two, more power to you, but once I see who it is and recognize you, you're gonna find that the next dive you pull will put you face to face with a couple of nades. And in the end, all that your macro will have afforded you, is a worn-out tactical handicap that is as predictable as it is easy to overcome.

I think your last paragraph wraps it up pretty good. Well said.
:)

[xxxidlexidolxxx]

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

Happy to see someone agrees. I love the people who are willing to try the same thing over and over and over again, I killed 41 people with the knife on Oman like that. Same squad kept taking the rooftop over the tank spawnpoint, so I just kept using the transport helo to drop on the roof and stab them.

After I figured out who the spawn point was on, I'd even run off and let him live. Like the macro-diving they were counting on one over-powered thing to protect them. A claymore. I got my head blown off one time, and shortly afterward, a second time, but after that I got my Expert Knife, which I thought was gonna be impossible... if it wasn't for campers and people with stale tactics.

So... thanks to all you guys out there who've given me the oppurtunity to learn from your tendencies and attack patterns.

-Idle