Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

[imported_Rafterman]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

I've only experienced a couple of instances where I thought, "hmmm, wonder if that guy's cheating?" One was last night on the Pucker Factor server playing SF - there was this one guy (not a PF member) who seemed to always know where I was and was dropping me the second he saw me. After about the 5th time, I began to wonder.

I can honestly say, though, that I don't really think cheating is that rampant or really that noticable b/c it's such a dynamic gaming environment.

I do know, however, that it makes me feel great to be accused of cheating.

[=GzR= BigWillyT]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

I applaud bitvomit for a well thought and excellent presentation on his post and to everyone who has posted and kept this from becoming a flame war on him. I am pretty much on the same level as most everyone in here in that we all know that hax exist and there's no question about it. I remember hearing about the infamous bf2s e-mail but I can't really say one way or the other as to whether hacking has risen since then. I've seen several threads on how to "spot" a hacker but can't honestly say that I've seen any of it personally. I'm in a clan and spend a lot of time in "our" server which is admin'd quite well by myself and other admins and so maybe that's why. It's just a fact of life though both in games and RL that if people can find a way to beat the system to make themselves feel superior to everyone else then they are going to exploit it every chance they get. I know that it does take away from the enjoyment of the game but there are plenty of other things within this game that frustrate the hell out of me to truly worry about whether people are hacking or not. I've been on the end of several questionable kills and have definitely had the thought of "that guy has to be hacking" go through my mind but I'm sure that I've dished out a few of those too. Just because there are so many factors that have to be considered such as lag, latency, and the sort. It's just a game and some people tend to forget that and get all caught up in it like it's their life or something which is truly sad. So IMO if you just play the game to have fun and try not to let your e-penis get in the way then BF2 is a great game like many others. And like some of the other poster's have said, if you feel like someone is cheating, all you can truly do is alert the admin if there is one and then simply find another server. No sense in letting your blood pressure shoot through the roof over a game that's supposed to be fun and enjoyable.

[ZemonerZ]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

There is a lot of cheats out there, but punkbuster is working... check out some of the cheat forums you see all the babies bitching about how they're GUID banned or HW banned, pretty funny stuff, some of these guys have to rebuy bf2 3 or more times just to play, and then they still cheat!....

[BlueBunny63]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

I play a very wide variety of servers - rarely play more than 3 rounds on any server, and have been that way since day 1, which was late October last year for me.

I had my first experiences with feeling suspicious, really suspicious, about mid-January, and I've seen about 4 players since then about whom I was as certain (that they weren't playing legitimately) as a person can be, without actually looking over their shoulders at their monitors.

Those were probably the good cheaters. I've also seen a bunch (like 10 or 15), who were probably using some sort of cheat, but like many people here, I ascribed it to great levels of skill on their part, or a great need for another Bawls on mine.

Overall, the part that angers me about cheating is that they're making it hard for new players to enjoy the game, because it's hard enough to slog through the learning curve of your first 50 or 100 hours of BF2, when you're learning the maps, the weapons, and the vehicles, and it seems that the world is out to own you. Throw cheats into the mix, and less skilled players are going to give it up early in their careers, switch to a console game, and we've got fewer online comrades in our community.

Bravo to Bit for banging the drum on this topic. EA has a developing problem on its hands with cheaters who are eroding the appeal of one of the strongest draws for a lot of players about BF2 on the PC - stats & medals and all the online bullsh!tting/bragging that goes with both.

[193d DCAT1]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

You have to take your computer into account, I have found that since I got my new comp (AMD 4400, 2 Gig mem, and dual 7800GTX video cards) that those instances where I was blazing away at a guy only to have him turn and shoot me have all but disappeared. Now I am that guy.

[(4THIDUSA) SSG H.]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

sometimes, I feel something screwy is going on, but I dont accuse anyone

[poisonsoul]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

I've watched the cheating community for some time. And I can tell you this any public hacks lasts about 24 to 72 hours before getting detected.

Now the question is how often are the servers you're playing on updating their punkbuster software. For example it's like having a virus scanner (Norton, McAfee, AVG, or whatever) and never updating it, don't be suprised if you get a virus.

However, what gets me is how an individual that was the same rank as me jumped up five ranks in two days.

[imported_cybercrow]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

I've watched the cheating community for some time. And I can tell you this any public hacks lasts about 24 to 72 hours before getting detected.

Now the question is how often are the servers you're playing on updating their punkbuster software. For example it's like having a virus scanner (Norton, McAfee, AVG, or whatever) and never updating it, don't be suprised if you get a virus.

However, what gets me is how an individual that was the same rank as me jumped up five ranks in two days.

1=wrong
2=wrong an correct the servers are updated automatically due to a high percentage of the server using pb as part of there agrement to run bf2 servers.
3=depends on what ranks he has jumped from an to!ive jumped 4 ranks in 2 days before due to just constantly playing on a certan map an stay playing for 2-3 days,just coming off to get some food an sleep.
4=an im sorry dude but this coment has got t obe teh biggest joke of the year for bf2 "I've watched the cheating community for some time. And I can tell you this any public hacks lasts about 24 to 72 hours before getting detected."
i 2 hate all teh cheats that are appearing at the moment there seems to be more an more showing up.
youll find that 60% of the hacks private ones have been running for a fair few months now the reason for pb not pickin them up is that they run client side.
theres a no fog an chamz hack thats been around for months an pb has not even sniffed at it! WHY? because its running in your memory an changes things as there streamed so pb dosnt pick em up as a program or any thing else.
if it was left to me then i would make a monthly account where you have to pay to play like WOW/EVE ONLINE you dont see or hear of any cheats being used for them.
an for the HWB just buy a new net card £6-8 from most places.
if ya cd key gets a HWB just get a key gen easly found in most places.
but i have to say a lot of the problems i find are off smack tards crying in teh game if you do some thing they dont like.

[poisonsoul]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

i 2 hate all teh cheats that are appearing at the moment there seems to be more an more showing up.
youll find that 60% of the hacks private ones have been running for a fair few months now the reason for pb not pickin them up is that they run client side.
theres a no fog an chamz hack thats been around for months an pb has not even sniffed at it! WHY? because its running in your memory an changes things as there streamed so pb dosnt pick em up as a program or any thing else.
if it was left to me then i would make a monthly account where you have to pay to play like WOW/EVE ONLINE you dont see or hear of any cheats being used for them.
an for the HWB just buy a new net card £6-8 from most places.
if ya cd key gets a HWB just get a key gen easly found in most places.
but i have to say a lot of the problems i find are off smack tards crying in teh game if you do some thing they dont like.

Yes, I know private hacks can run for a long time. However, once a hack goes public it gets shot down relatively fast.

2=wrong an correct the servers are updated automatically due to a high percentage of the server using pb as part of there agrement to run bf2 servers.

Dude, I've seen people discuss how a busted hack was working on a PB server for more then two days before the server was finally updated.

[-iLL*NaYmL3sS]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

You think that's bad ? Get good enough with TV missiles and watch people accuse you of hacking left, right and center...

Every server is a fight not to get kicked.

lol on my clan site, we have a section were we post screenshots of ppl calling us hackers. most of them are me getting accused of hacking with tv missiles.

[ACE_FIN1972]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

Then there are those "cheats" made by good old EA. Just take J10 and put it against F-35B and u may act as God for a round. Not funny anymore, opponent doesn't have chance, there goes the whole idea of playing.

[Harmor]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

If they had 1st person Spec Mode, would that help detect some of these hacks?

Also do you think that if they required that Battlerecorder be on all ranked servers help detect cheats?

Personally, I've been in the same boat where people 1-shot me with their L85A1's from 50m away...but I could never prove it. Perhaps having a Battlerecord of the battle to FRAPS/screenshot for the people at http://www.bfroe.com will help find more of these cheats?

[AlphaCueUp]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

its hard to screenshot the act of cheating, a video wopuld prolly be the only thing that can capture the extent of the cheat....

BF2 has always been full of what another has brilliantly described as "wtf deaths".....ive always goten them, and will continue to, whether it is due to cheating, bugs, lag, netcode, or hardware really doesnt matter to me anymore....unless im spending more time waiting to spawn, than i am playing...in which case, i would find another server...

sure it ****es me off that ppl cheat, but theres very little i can do about it, fraps doesnt work my computer, so i cant capture cheting, only my dying, which looks the same, so i dont even bother doing anything.....i will vote if someone else initiates a kick vote against said cheater, other than that, i will regard it as yet another 'wtf death'...

so yeah....i dont get too worked up about cheaters, cuz they are ghey, and lame etc....lets face it....they're the idiots who buy a game, and have so little skill, they need a program to play it for them....how lame is that...i hope they all feel little, inadequate, insecure, unfulfilled, and empty inside.....i know i would if i spent so much time in a game i wasnt even playing :laugh:

[bitvomit]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

I think that the number of cheaters is probably on the rise, as more and more people are willing to sample them and figure out that PunkBuster doesnt stop them... It isn't uncommon these days for a city-map server to have 2 or 3 "Privates" who have ESP... Heck, I saw it last night on a Karkand server I was on... this guy was dolphin diving all over the place, and seemed to always have his G36e in single-shot mode and was double-click headshotting everybody on the map..... He had a moderate rank, like Staff Sgt. or something, and he was on that same server 3 nights in a row (Fri, Sat, Sun) and always managed a score in the upper 90's.

This tells me a couple things... if he is hacking, he found a server with little/no admin presence and is leaching as many points as he can off of it. His hacks are pretty blatant... jump/prone headshotting from all distances, knowing exactly where everybody is (I was on his team and he was playing as if there was a UAV following him around the map... he just *knew* where every infantry was... he also knew where all the enemy armor was somehow and always seemed to avoid it.

Cheats exist, and yeah... they could be on the rise... the question for me though is, what is EA/Dice willing to do about it?

The fact that people seek to cheat is unavoidable unfortunately but it's a sad reality.


I wonder what they get out of it.

You bring a good point to mind about avoiding armor. I wasn't thinking about it in my original post but it's very hard to get by a round of karkand (especially if you're stuck at hotel for most of the round like me and the other guy were) without getting killed numerous times by apcs and tanks. Some people say that you can confuse hacks for BF2's builtin cheats like UAV, spotting etc but the fact of the matter is that these are only clues to the enemies whereabouts. They don't tell you precisely what building enemies are camping on or what floor they are on.

Dolphin diving is something that is starting to become very tell tale to a cheaters presence imo. I've seen alot of fakes running around that can kill you in 1-3 shots when they are just barely initiating their dolphin dive. Almost everyone dolphin dives when they get into a CQC fight with someone but to have such accuracy and consistency time and time again is just plain bull.

Another thing someone else mentioned was players that never seem to have a bad game. It's fine and dandy if someone is owning for a straight round (unless they are being blatant about it like the guy I mentioned) but owning several rounds in a row should raise a red flag to anyone. I can't speak for the average gamer but when I'm on a roll I can only keep my streak going for about a round before I start getting owned again.

The skies seem to be the cheaters domain now as well. Although I see them less and less now as I have lost interest in flying lately. What really irks me is the pilots that can mow down hidden infantry like nobodies business. Sometimes I think to myself that the commander probably spotted me but occasionaly I will notice a jet that's going to bomb the crap out of a tank only to change course abruptly to gun me down (much like the tell tale "jerk" of an aimbot). I understand that once a pilot gets so close to the ground they can see infantry and get some shots in but some of the occasions I have witnessed were just so far out there and involved pilots whose jets noticeably jerked towards me that the only possible explanation could be an aimbot with a high FOV.

Then there's the guys that will chase you for an entire round in the air (mig vs f35) while mimicing all of your maneuvers or the other guys (who seem to more blatant) who simultaneously score direct hits with their cannon no matter what moves you make. I happen to fly with a mouse and kb though so I've grudgingly assumed they were just using joysticks. I'm not the best pilot in BF2 but I very rarely encounter pilots who are this "good".

Unfortunately I cannot form a definitive opinion on these pilots as I'm only familiar with the tell tale signs of "traditional" FPS cheats. I'm not aware of any cheats for pilots unless you can count a joystick as a legit cheat :P .

[Fulman]

Re: Has cheating become more widespread since the infamous "bf2s admin" emails?

You have to take your computer into account, I have found that since I got my new comp (AMD 4400, 2 Gig mem, and dual 7800GTX video cards) that those instances where I was blazing away at a guy only to have him turn and shoot me have all but disappeared. Now I am that guy.

The Problem is that alot of us can't tell the difference between the Hacks/ Cheats and being wiped out by "supercomputers"

Thats what makes it frustrating.