EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

[LoganX]

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For all the people wondering what the petition has done for this issue...
All it's done is make EA/DICE realize that there are a bunch of people who didn't understand the reasons for the change and that the SL spawn was not intended to be used this way.
So they put out this community update to explain.
If you read into the community Update it's fairly plain that they are set with this change and no petition will change their minds.

[Revoluti0n]

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Sure blows a whole in the "STFU you whiners, it's NOT an exploit" argument, don't it?

I don't think so, it's like they want to tell everyone how to play now all of a sudden. I say fix the f**king bugs first, then you can tell me how to play all you want. :p

[Jlspence]

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Let's get one thing straight. EA/DICE released and supports BF2 to make money - period. If a significant portion of its BF2 customers don't like something in the game then EA/DICE is going to take note of it. Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide have bought BF2. I would guess that EA/DICE sees the 8 thousand petition signers (I'm one of them by the way) as about 1 to 2 percent of its BF2 customer base. I guarantee you that if 80,000 people had signed the petition that we wouldn't be seeing this change.

[imported_bigpappa]

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I guess they consider the ol Squad Leader switch-out an exploit too. They are still in the same squad!:evil:

it only took them 11 months to figure that out, what exploit will they fix next?

[RocketChild]

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it only took them 11 months to figure that out, what exploit will they fix next?

Like I said later, they may have figured it out early on. But it took a year to get fixed because the bigger complaints, the red-bug, AA, and the vehicle-bump TK issues took center stage for all the patches. Now, they are getting back to the things they did not have time to address.

I'm sure they have limited resources to through at solving the problems in the game. With booster pack development/integration, developing a new version (bf2142), and the little bugs/exploits (spinning turrets); they have only so much time to 'improve' the game verses fixing flaws.

I recall they pushed to get this game out and they had to drop a lot of features. I am sure if they had more development time, a lot of things we take for granted would not be in the game or balanced differently. There might be more items added in, or others stuff might not be gimped so quickly for quick fixes.

Community complaining leads to a double-edged sword. What comes out of it can be good or bad, but in the long run I hope most of everything weights in being better overall.

[imported_bigpappa]

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but why leave a key feature in the game and then decide its an exploit, just doesnt make sense.

[imported_Boots]

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ah whatever... I got used to the PKM nerf, I'll get used to this

[The Soup Nazi]

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Great! So this is going to make getting out of an uncappable spawn point (e.g. the carrier in Wake Island) even more difficult. That's just swell. Now if we see a squad leader out on the main land trying to secure a flag, we can't join his squad while we're constantly getting drilled down by J-10's. Thanks, EA/Dice.

Not to mention that squad leaders are already screwed over enough as it is. If they have to sit back and "play it safe", they'll get even fewer points than before. Sure, some people may not mind not getting points for flag captures or kills, but I imagine most people will be peeved about that.

Edit: By the way, I'm so glad that this "exploit" was considered such high priority that they decided to leave the missile dodging "abilities" of the F-18 and J-10 as they were. If you fire a missile at a J-10 that's flying in a straight line, why in the world should it "bounce off" and veer away from the target yielding no hit?

<sarcasm>Squad hopping on the other hand... yeesh. That's got to go.</sarcasm>

[RocketChild]

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but why leave a key feature in the game and then decide its an exploit, just doesnt make sense.

Well, I think they did from the beginning, but when you can only get 3 major fixes and 10 minor fixes into a patch, they opted to leave it out. Weighing in what is worse as an exploit, wall glitching or squad hopping? Someplace I think I saw a list of possible fixes, maybe at the EA forums, but it was like a 100 items long. They all had varying level's of importance and many we are not going to see because they are not as important as the Red-Bug or the AA issue.

Someone finally had enough of it at DiCE and said, ok, enough of this crap, if we wanted them to have mobile spawn points, we would have had a C-130/C-5.

I welcome it, though I will admit I use it the current exploit way too. It always seemed to be a flaw in the game that was not thought of.

Great! So this is going to make getting out of an uncappable spawn point (e.g. the carrier in Wake Island) even more difficult. That's just swell. Now if we see a squad leader out on the main land trying to secure a flag, we can't join his squad while we're constantly getting drilled down by J-10's. Thanks, EA/Dice.

Not to mention that squad leaders are already screwed over enough as it is. If they have to sit back and "play it safe", they'll get even fewer points than before. Sure, some people may not mind not getting points for flag captures or kills, but I imagine most people will be peeved about that.

Ya, it sucks, but this should have been here a year ago. Going back and fixing things later aways hurts more after you're used to it. The game is designed with certain parameters, and Squad Jumping is not one of them.

[ConscriptVirus]

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hmm....well i prob wont miss it much...im a lonewolf :) but yay for teamwork

[[STO] Killer Dragon]

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I guess this is where the Infentry skills come in hander now, dont have to worry about people spawning on randome people. WOOT GO SKILL!!!!!!!!!!!

[{TKM}MiK]

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Well what about getting spawn raped in karkand by apc's and tanks, now its going to be near imposible to spawn away from them, this fix sucks big time it should be an option, im so angry about this I feel like smashing my game into bits and inserting it in my ass... hopefully it wont be as bad as im expecting But i doubt it.

[parish]

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I guess this is where the Infentry skills come in hander now, dont have to worry about people spawning on randome people. WOOT GO SKILL!!!!!!!!!!!

w00t 100%... Now people will actually have to learn to work together to win. It's about time.

[RocketChild]

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w00t 100%... Now people will actually have to learn to work together to win. It's about time.

Really, that is what BF series is about, making it easy and fun, while still promoting teamwork. That has been DiCE's goal from the beginning and what sperates it from other games.

[{USI}_DirTyDeeDs]

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This is actually going to make teamwork worse..

When you can squad hop, that helps your whole TEAM move forwards... if you are restricted to one squad, you will be losing alot of ground, and waste time running.

I really hate this idea...

You have good points, but please dont judge the patch before you play it.
Any change they make will be made to both sides, so the enemy will have the same 'limitations'. :hi:

IMO, players should think more and squads should be used more effectively then they currently are, and now we have an opportunity to do it.

For this, I say...

THANK YOU, DICE !! :shock: