Games like BF2 are the reason that consoles will always suck

[evilzucchini]

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My PC costs twice as much as my console(s) did.

My buddies PC costs 4 times as much, he also owns a PS2.

I know . . . and that is why people own consoles for real gaming because they are way cheaper.

So? A billionaire has a jet and a car. He uses both, he doesnt choose.

Totally non-sequitor. You can't fly a plane to down the street to the store and it is a real pain to drive across the country. They serve two different purposes.

Im not a hardware expert, but from what Ive read and heard, this statement is a blatant lie.

An Xbox360 is just Motoral PowerPC processor running at 3.2GHz that has been modded as a dedicated videogame processing set. That is a powerful technology and it is the newest console yet it STILL does not come close to what is available for PCs. The fact that it can't handle as much as a PC is evidence enough that the technology is not top of the line because if it WERE top of the line and it was modded to target games it would be superior. However, it would also cost 2000$ dollars. So, please, before you call me a liar at least know what you are talking about. But thanks for flaming me, great debating style.

Right, nevermind that there are tons of ports consoles-to-PC that look and play hideously.

Yes, becuase they are based on entirely different architectures and instruction sets and basically have to be programmed from scratch which can lead to disastrous results if one is skilled in one architecture and not the other.

Graphically, there are a lot of games that look pretty on consoles and PC games just cant match them. Resident Evil Remake, probably one of the prettiest game I have ever played, for example.

I am not saying that consoles suck. However, a top of the line computer is far superior than the newest version of any console when it comes to processing power and video. Soon computers will have physics cards as well which will take a while for consoles to start using and we will see a huge gap between the two in gaming.

Stating a fact without backing it up is a pretty dangerous thing.

Give me an effing break.

Im not saying that you SHOULDNT mod a game. Im saying that a games natural life cycle doesnt always include modding. And console games modding aspect is limited. That is common sense, and shouldnt be adressed as an issue.

Not true at all. The Quake III engine is still being used a ton thanks to mods. The HL2 will be around for a long time because of the modding community. Frankly, because of the ranked status that servers pretty much need in BF2, I am afraid that the community won't be as strong.

[Skwurl]

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Consoles are sweet.

Contrary to popular belief, there is a world outside or PC shooters. Anyone here ever play Ocarina of Time? One of the best games ever created - and it didn't even have bunny hopping or teamkillers.

Go figure.

Some of the previous posts bashing consoles are just plain unadulterated, old fashioned retarded.

[Auto-ER-]

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Apples are FAR superiour to oranges.

[evilzucchini]

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The thing is that consoles and PC gaming aren't even remotely as different as apples and oranges. They are both for gaming, comparing and contrasting them makes perfect sense.

[tw1g]

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Apples are FAR superiour to oranges.

In every aspect that is. Higher performance rate. Better looking.

[Chris_Redfield]

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I know . . . and that is why people own consoles for real gaming because they are way cheaper.

You didnt get the point, did you?

Totally non-sequitor. You can't fly a plane to down the street to the store and it is a real pain to drive across the country. They serve two different purposes.

Both are means of transportation, and in the same time they are both used for transportation. PC and consoles, both used for gaming but they are good at different areas. Perfectly valid comparision.

An Xbox360 is just Motoral PowerPC processor running at 3.2GHz that has been modded as a dedicated videogame processing set. That is a powerful technology and it is the newest console yet it STILL does not come close to what is available for PCs. The fact that it can't handle as much as a PC is evidence enough that the technology is not top of the line because if it WERE top of the line and it was modded to target games it would be superior. However, it would also cost 2000$ dollars. So, please, before you call me a liar at least know what you are talking about. But thanks for flaming me, great debating style.

How about some benchmarking stats? Some facts I could see, something you could convince me with? I hear a lot of fancy words revolving around superiority, yet every time theres a high class game released on a console, it isnt as much behind visually, than top notch PC game. Which is ultimately the point. Youre saying a PC is superior, I wont question it. But if the games LOOK and PERFORM equally great, then where is the difference?

Yes, becuase they are based on entirely different architectures and instruction sets and basically have to be programmed from scratch which can lead to disastrous results if one is skilled in one architecture and not the other.

Is that an excuse for a failure?

I am not saying that consoles suck. However, a top of the line computer is far superior than the newest version of any console when it comes to processing power and video. Soon computers will have physics cards as well which will take a while for consoles to start using and we will see a huge gap between the two in gaming.

Not questioning. But youre trying to convince me, that just because PCs are superior in hardware, their games are automatically better and thus consoles suck. This thread is about games afterall. But as a matter of fact, games on PS2 still look frigging good, play good and dont seem outdated.

Give me an effing break.

Right.

Not true at all. The Quake III engine is still being used a ton thanks to mods. The HL2 will be around for a long time because of the modding community. Frankly, because of the ranked status that servers pretty much need in BF2, I am afraid that the community won't be as strong.

So youre saying, that if a game cant be modded its doomed, and since console games cant be modded, consoles suck? Be more clear, although I doubt you can.

Let me spell it out for you- replay value in console games and PC games lie in different areas. For PC games its mostly MP value. For console games its extras, unlockables and SP gamemodes. You dont need to mod a console game. And you dont have to necessarily mod a PC game. Mods make the games live longer, sure, but saying that PC games are better than console games because of modding capabilities is wrong.

You seem to be under the impression that I think HL1 is better on consoles than it is on PC. No, I think its worse, gameplay wise. I believe consoles excel in areas PCs dont quite come close and vice versa. Im amazed what BF2 offers, but that doesnt make me scream that consoles suck period, because of a MP game I play.

Just for kicks I went to www.gamespot.com and checked its TOP10 best games of all time- no PC games featured.

The thing is that consoles and PC gaming aren't even remotely as different as apples and oranges. They are both for gaming, comparing and contrasting them makes perfect sense.

The problem is that the games released on those platforms are different.

And most of the time ports fail, pretty miserably. BF2 MC, I think, wont be an exception.

For example, I have yet to find a great racing game on PC. Yet theres so many, so different on consoles. Im a fan of survival horror and Resident Evil, no such thing on PCs, again (there are, well, ports mostly... not successful). And so on. And in the same time I have yet to find a great online FPS which keeps me hooked on a console... In a way, they are apples and oranges. Stop looking at the hardware and start comparing the GAMES.

[darkangel-CM-]

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I can never get used to console controls anyhow, and when i do, i always come back to PC, mouse and keyboard gives you so much of an advantage!

If PC users went up againts console users in an online match, It would prove that PC is so much more effective!

[Alcorr]

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PC gaming will always be stronger technology wise and YES, for shooters and RTS and rpg, mouse and keyboard is stronger, racing games are easier on consoles.

Both will always be around, both are strong industries, and although I prefer pc gaming, I still think im going to get a ps3, sometiems you just want to put a game in and play it rather than mess around with patches and CTD like on bf2...

[Chris_Redfield]

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I can never get used to console controls anyhow, and when i do, i always come back to PC, mouse and keyboard gives you so much of an advantage!

If PC users went up againts console users in an online match, It would prove that PC is so much more effective!

Would you be interested in an online Tekken match? Resident Evil Outbreak (Online) game? Metal Gear Solid 3: Online game?

My gaming time is roughly 20/80% for PCs, but my roots are from heavy console gaming, yet I have no problem owning in PC online games.

PC gaming will always be stronger technology wise and YES, for shooters and RTS and rpg, mouse and keyboard is stronger, racing games are easier on consoles.

Both will always be around, both are strong industries, and although I prefer pc gaming, I still think im going to get a ps3, sometiems you just want to put a game in and play it rather than mess around with patches and CTD like on bf2...

Same here. Theres some good **** going on in the PS3 lineup. Some impressively good ****. In the same time, I will keep upgrading my "toolbox" and frag away.

[imported_Dingdong]

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yea i got xbox360 and online play caz i really wanted the bf2 but i played the demo and its crap only 24 players!!!?!?!? controles suck comps rock caz u can change the contols and more players.

[Skwurl]

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yea i got xbox360 and online play caz i really wanted the bf2 but i played the demo and its crap only 24 players!!!?!?!? controles suck comps rock caz u can change the contols and more players.

teh aszome!!

[Adirtyhippie]

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Other then the price and ease of operation what advantages do consoles have?
Controls? PC's have the option for steering wheels and game pads also.

[bitvomit]

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And frankly, so wasnt GTA SA either.

You're wrong. I have GTA:SA and I have had the chance to play the PS2 version. There's no comparision, the PC version is obviously much better in terms of graphics, control, customization, and lets not forget that the PC version is the only way you are gonna play GTA online for quite sometime ( http://www.mtasa.com/ ). You are just talking out of your ass to incite flames. Good job.

Everyone keeps talking about how consoles and PCs have their own crop of games that they excel at. Well the fact of the matter is that all these wonderful exclusive console games can be ported to PC. Remember the good ole days when hits like MK were released for all platforms on the same day? There's nothing stopping developers from doing this. Unfortunately greed and exclusivity are the primary reasons that PC gamers get the shaft when great games are only released for consoles. As most PC gamers will tell you, they either own a console or have owned one in the past so there isn't really a whole lot that seperates our taste in games.

There's a huge market to be conquered here but I'm afraid we're gonna be stuck with A:crappy ports, B:no ports at all, until PC gamers make their voices heard. I guarantee that if capcom released a PC online version of any of it's SF games it would become the next big thing in PC gaming. I already play this and many other classics online myself with kaillera. The audience is already there. Not only that but the PC lacks a true and official controller like the consoles. Imo, nothing beats a console controller when it comes to playing console games. Especially fighting games. I can't count how many crap PC controllers I've gone through where you can't even throw a hadoken let alone win a match. If you could have all your favorite console games (current gen) on your PC then that would make it obviously superior to consoles.

There is one small glimmer of hope though: microsoft, windows vista, and xbox 360 could change all this. Just maybe...

[imported_Got Your Back]

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The main reason I stopped buying consoles (And I have played on the first consoles ever made) is the limited options & such. 12+button joypad compared to the endless possibilities of the keyboard mouse. If you have ever played flight sims for the PC you will understand.

I love being able to have Hotkeys. In many PC games, your ability to hotkey functions can be a lifeline. You want to chose a function on a console game you are constantly scrolling & pushing buttons just to give one command!

You say that the console cost alot less then the PC? Well exactly what can you do with a console after you spend the 50+ bucks on the games? NOTHING ELSE! Play games .... keep the console dusted off! Rinse/repeat!

After us PC gamers pay the 50+ bucks for some of the most technologically advanced games ... we can, Google/e-mail/DL anything/ balance our financial records/ burn music, movies, data/find a date lol/talk dirty to women all across the world/prepare docs. I could go on & on !

There is not comparison between console & PC. Before, consoles were nice because of the fact that you could hook it up to huge BigScreen TV's. Now they have vid cards for PC's that allow you to hook up Giant HDTV's.

The only halfway bad thing is keeping the PC tuned, updated & virus free. But HEY!! US diehard gamers live for that stuff! Thats all I am gonna say...

[bitvomit]

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The main reason I stopped buying consoles (And I have played on the first consoles ever made) is the limited options & such. 12+button joypad compared to the endless possibilities of the keyboard mouse. If you have ever played flight sims for the PC you will understand.

I love being able to have Hotkeys. In many PC games, your ability to hotkey functions can be a lifeline. You want to chose a function on a console game you are constantly scrolling & pushing buttons just to give one command!

You say that the console cost alot less then the PC? Well exactly what can you do with a console after you spend the 50+ bucks on the games? NOTHING ELSE! Play games .... keep the console dusted off! Rinse/repeat!

After us PC gamers pay the 50+ bucks for some of the most technologically advanced games ... we can, Google/e-mail/DL anything/ balance our financial records/ burn music, movies, data/find a date lol/talk dirty to women all across the world/prepare docs. I could go on & on !

There is not comparison between console & PC. Before, consoles were nice because of the fact that you could hook it up to huge BigScreen TV's. Now they have vid cards for PC's that allow you to hook up Giant HDTV's.

The only halfway bad thing is keeping the PC tuned, updated & virus free. But HEY!! US diehard gamers live for that stuff! Thats all I am gonna say...

I agree. A hardcore console gamer is gonna end up spending just as much on their gaming "hobby" by buying games as a PC gamer will when he upgrades. I havn't bought a PC game in a long long time (since bf2 came out!) but when I used to have console systems I was buying new games maybe once, twice, three times a month! That's about how long they were fun for too. Not counting multiplayer games of course. However, there is an advantage for people who own consoles with a modchip and a PC. I don't think I need to explain that bit :).