The Black Box Canned

The other guy admitting to having done it, and I said I was planning to because Valve was ticking me off.



We got our comments deleted for that. Other than that, all the other comments on piracy haven't been deleted.



So, there's plenty of discussion on the subject already, alt-F4.

Wow.



He admitted to committing a crime on this site. That isn't going to fly. Get over it and enjoy the vacation.

Get it through MY head?!?!



No, I don't work there (thankfully) but I have worked inside the industry and I understand more than you can possibly imagine. I understand that there's legal and illegal, moral and imoral, ethical and unethical. I understand that you don't want/like people admitting to piracy here. That's all fine and within the limits of your little kingdom.



What I've been trying to get through YOUR head is that piracy is a problem. You can discuss the problem with endorsing it. Either you can't understand that, or you just don't want to.



As I've said before, publishers have a pathological fear of any public mention of the subject, as if every simple mention of the word spawns a thousand illegal downloads instantly.



And so, again, if you are indeed nothing but a puppet for any arm of the industry I understand your irrational paranoia. If, on the other hand, you're a free-thinking American gamer, you have a serious comprehension problem.



Either way, I'm done. You win. Your new clothes are just divine, Emperor.

I'm with Zips on this one. Even though one of my comments was deleted, mostly because I wasn't aware of the strictness of the rule.



Besides, it's plumb stupid to admit to a crime in any public place, ever, unless you're intentionally confessing and want to get caught and punished.

ALT+F4 wrote..

Wow. Just wow. What a fuckin' pusswipe. Ever think of going into politics? You'd make a perfect Republican.



Oh, and as long as I'm leaving, here's what Zippy the Pinhead deleted, for however long it stays visible:



Ha. This isn't about law enforcement, it's about the health of the CS community at large but you're obviously in a can't-see-the-forest-for-the-trees state of tunnel visioned denial. It is indeed a good thing that a site with this kind of attitude is nothing more than what little it is.



Here, kid — you can have your ball back.

Tough. You don't work here, so I wouldn't expect you to understand one little bit. Don't pirate. Don't admit to pirating here if you do. Don't like it, go elsewhere. It's quite clear you have no concept of what is morally and ethically right and LEGAL and what is not. If that is your attitude, I don't want to hear it. This is NOT and has NEVER been the place to discuss the issue of piracy, especially the self-admission of it.



Get it through your head.

I've been playing Counter-Strike for 6 years now, and been coming to csnation for the last couple of years, but have yet to post.



However, I felt that I needed to say something in this particular thread. I have long been a supporter of the gaming industry and have legally bought most of the games I have.



That being said, I can see where people like ALT + F4 are coming from when they say that there is a point to piracy beyond just saving a few bucks.



I'm not saying that this is exactly the right way to send a message to Valve or any company for that matter. However, as I said, being a long time member of the community I find it somewhat appauling that The Mods of this thread aren't really listening to whats being said.



Lets be honest, lots of people are involved in piracy.



Yes, You have your rules about talking about piracy and related issues, and yes, you need to keep your site clean so it doesn't get nailed by some Lawyer down at Valve.. But at the same time, I think its becoming clear that your antagonizing a lot of the people who are here.



I believe you are doing the right thing by keeping your nose clean of all the red tape that comes with aligning yourself with pirates.. But try not to be such dicks about it.. I think it would ease a bit of the tension..



Thats just my 2 cents.

Wow. Just wow. What a fuckin' pusswipe. Ever think of going into politics? You'd make a perfect Republican.



Oh, and as long as I'm leaving, here's what Zippy the Pinhead deleted, for however long it stays visible:



Ha. This isn't about law enforcement, it's about the health of the CS community at large but you're obviously in a can't-see-the-forest-for-the-trees state of tunnel visioned denial. It is indeed a good thing that a site with this kind of attitude is nothing more than what little it is.



Here, kid -- you can have your ball back.

ALT+F4 wrote..

Why? Because ignoring the cause of a crime does NOTHING to prevent it from happening again and does NOTHING to contribute to the stability of the community you claim to love. Burying your head in the sand and hoping it will go away is actually Counter-Productive (TM).



You're acting like a spoiled little pussy.

Ha. I'm not a law enforcement official. I do not care about the why, and never will. But the admission is enough to warrant a warning and a ban from this site. This isn't something you can even bother arguing, so don't even try.

Actually, all I admitted to was the intent to commit a crime, under certain conditions (basically if Valve continues to screw their customers over).



Hopefully, between now and then, either Valve or I will change our minds.

Zips wrote...

Why should I care why someone committed the CRIME of piracy?

Why? Because ignoring the cause of a crime does NOTHING to prevent it from happening again and does NOTHING to contribute to the stability of the community you claim to love. Burying your head in the sand and hoping it will go away is actually Counter-Productive (TM).



You're acting like a spoiled little pussy.

ALT+F4 wrote..

While your first sentence is a sore test of my gag reflex, your last one begs qualification.



If you're as dedicated to the company as you say, you should at least be curious as to why that person felt compelled to pirate the game. Was it price-related, outrage over content practices, or just malicious I-can-so-I-will? Would Valve not be interested in why a product of theirs was stolen rather than bought, and what they could have done to get a sale instead of a theft? Unless they truly don't give a crap about how their corporate decisions affect the consumer market...



Again, like the MPAA and RIAA, the software industry has a more adversarial than symbiotic relationship with their customers.

Why should I care why someone committed the CRIME of piracy? Exactly. They committed a crime, they ADMITTED to committing said crime on this site, and I will NOT tolerate it. Period.



Let me restate a rule in our guidelines:

NO WAREZ OR MP3 FILES OR ILLEGAL BITTORRENT DOWNLOADS.

Taken from: http://forums.csnation.net/rules.php



Admission to piracy, an illegal act (let me restate that again), AN ILLEGAL ACT, falls under this rule and will not be allowed here. I don't care why. They can try and explain why to Valve if their account becomes disabled, or the legal authorities if it should come to that (which I doubt it would). Piracy is piracy. It has no place here.

Zips wrote..

They admitted to piracy on a website that has to keep up good appearances given the nature of the site. This is a dedicated fan site to a particular game and company. If someone admits to pirating a game from said company, that isn't going to fly.

While your first sentence is a sore test of my gag reflex, your last one begs qualification.



If you're as dedicated to the company as you say, you should at least be curious as to why that person felt compelled to pirate the game. Was it price-related, outrage over content practices, or just malicious I-can-so-I-will? Would Valve not be interested in why a product of theirs was stolen rather than bought, and what they could have done to get a sale instead of a theft? Unless they truly don't give a crap about how their corporate decisions affect the consumer market...



Again, like the MPAA and RIAA, the software industry has a more adversarial than symbiotic relationship with their customers.

Snakebyte wrote..

The irony is that if the mods tell us we can't talk about something, that just makes people want to talk about it even more. I can understand not allowing links or instructions, but just merely mentioning it seems a bit unreasonable.

They admitted to piracy on a website that has to keep up good appearances given the nature of the site. This is a dedicated fan site to a particular game and company. If someone admits to pirating a game from said company, that isn't going to fly.

The irony is that if the mods tell us we can't talk about something, that just makes people want to talk about it even more. I can understand not allowing links or instructions, but just merely mentioning it seems a bit unreasonable.