The Black Box Canned

[Zips]

ph03nix(k) wrote..

lol lol lol money grab



"Episodic games will be cheaper, and will take a shorter time to make."



Lets see, its going to take about a year for episode two, and the price is now the same price as any other PC game on the market.



Seriously, shut the fuck up Valve and just tell us that you are raping us in the ass, there is no need to lie about it.

You're basically getting three games for the price of one (ignoring the HL2 and Episode 1 parts). What's your problem? You can even resell the HL2 and Ep1 keys if you want and you will end up with something that is the same price as what you think a single game for an episode would probably cost.



I'm also going to restate in a general sense for the umpteenth time, do not talk about piracy or intent to pirate here.

[infil87]

Is this the retail version, or does this apply to the Steam releases as well? No one knows, probably, but I'm asking anyway :)

[Thortok2000]

I am not going to pay for games I already own. Point blank.



I will not be giving Valve my money to play Episode 2 until and unless I can buy it without purchasing games I already own.

[Fragalishus]

Hmm I was about to add a rant about things like this in the "Open letter" post about the ads.



This is a good thing. But still won't quite get my off my boycott soap box just yet. I still can't justify supporting a company financially who thinks in-game ads are a good idea. I think people who think that way should be taken out back and beaten with a crowbar.



People like me, as in the vast majority of gamers, were the best advertising Valve could ever get. Only now, instead of telling people "hey you should check out this game it's awesome" I now say "don't buy their shit" every chance I get.



Product placement is fine, like the Dell's in cs_office. That stuff adds to the realism. Tacky, lazily implemented billboards that look so out of place in the environment...not so much.



@ Thortok I don't mind buying the game again, provided I can use it on another PC. Up until now I had to either choose, create a new account and not only have to switch between them all the time, but also lose my 4 digit id when playing the new ones. Of course I only have 1 spare pc that I would need for another account, so after TF2 I agree with you, I wouldn't want to buy it a 3rd time, unless I ended up getting a 3rd pc. But this is at least a step in the right direction.



Alas, as long as the ads stay in 1.6, which I don't even play anyway, my boycott stands firm. I don't care if they issue a gozillion press releases saying ads will never be in Source. It's the principle. And as a "leader" in game development it also sets a precedent, allowing other companies to think it's ok and get away with it. Gaming is what I do to escape the 24/7 bombardment of ads. I can't support a company who thinks like this, sorry.



I'm sure this sounds like "do it my way or else", but hey I'm, American, we're born with self-entitlement. But if they were actually listening, I'd tell them



Product placement = ok

connecting window = ok



Walls and scoreboard = absolutely not



I'd let them slide with the spectator menu since you're dead anyway, so if they set up a revenue share system with server operators and made these minor adjustments I'd go back to humping their legs and raving about their fantastic games. And I'd buy TF2. But there's still many other issues to get me off my 3rd party boycott.



DON'T MAKE ME WRITE AN OPEN LETTER VALVE!! I'LL DO IT!!!! DO WHAT I SAY OR THE KITTY GETS IT!!!11one

[entRo]

Zips wrote..

I'm also going to restate in a general sense for the umpteenth time, do not talk about piracy or intent to pirate here.

I don't see why we shouldn't, especially when it can be used as a tool against Valve's ridiculousness, unless this is just more of your fanboy pandering.



It's not like discussing it as a legitimate option for us as players hurts CSN in any way.

[Zips]

entRo wrote..

I don't see why we shouldn't, especially when it can be used as a tool against Valve's ridiculousness, unless this is just more of your fanboy pandering.



It's not like discussing it as a legitimate option for us as players hurts CSN in any way.

Except that it isn't legitimate in any way. It is illegal and I will not tolerate it here.

[timbro]

Im assuming that if you buy the games via steam and you already own HL2 and HL2:E1 it will be cheaper.

[Mikemike 2.0]

yay lets give VALVe more money!



at least make the 3-game only black package steam exclusive for like 30 or 40.

[entRo]

Zips wrote..

Except that it isn't legitimate in any way. It is illegal and I will not tolerate it here.

Legality says nothing of legitimacy. If it works, and the industry claims it does, than piracy can be a legitimate force for change.



So walk the walk.

[ALT+F4]

"Episodic games will be cheaper, and will take a shorter time to make."



Speaking of which, where's the next god-damned episode of SiN?!?

[Thortok2000]

I agree. Piracy is a legitimate force to get Valve off their butts and doing something.



They made Steam as an answer to piracy. The fastest patch I've ever seen to CS 1.6 came from an exploit which allowed people to disable ads quite easily without it even being considered a hack by VAC.



Valve is screwing their customers over. That is when the hackers come in and screw them over back, by pirating their games and offering them free to others.



Valve's karma is going to kill them in the end. Every business decision I've seen coming from them, step by step, has been progressively worse.

[ukHazard]

ALT+F4 wrote..

"Episodic games will be cheaper, and will take a shorter time to make."



Speaking of which, where's the next god-damned episode of SiN?!?

That was canned months ago.

[Zips]

entRo wrote..

Legality says nothing of legitimacy. If it works, and the industry claims it does, than piracy can be a legitimate force for change.



So walk the walk.

Don't try and argue semantics with me. Discussion or, admission of, or intent of piracy is NOT allowed here. That is discussing of illegal matters and I do not care if it "works" or not, it's illegal and it is not a legitimate means of obtaining the games or services.

[entRo]

[ALT+F4]

Zips wrote..

Discussion or, admission of, or intent of piracy is NOT allowed here. That is discussing of illegal matters and I do not care if it "works" or not, it's illegal and it is not a legitimate means of obtaining the games or services.

WTF? The mere discussion of a subject, legal or otherwise, is not allowed?!? Either somebody's cowardly corporate hand is rammed snugly up your pathetic puppet ass or it's your nose that's rammed up theirs. This is America, my friend, and that kind of attitude is downright repugnant and flies in the face of the very concept of everything this country is allegedly based on.



For every action there is an equal -- if not more powerful -- reaction. If software companies don't consider the very real consequences of crapping in people's mouths and telling them it's pudding then those consequences, be they legal or otherwise -- are of their own making.



It'd sure be nice if the world was a just and fair place but it's not. Burying your head in the sand and ignoring the harsh realities just allows them to flourish. It is only through communication that ideas, alternatives and solutions are arrived at and shared.



Wise up, you punk.