Shielding CS:S

[QQn00bgirl]

the shield has never hit my curiority....EVER. i don't know why. I personally don't like it...its a waste of time for valve and us.

there's always the situation where there's 1 CT left and 5 T's....there's 25 seconds left and they find the one last CT, but the T's are struggling cuz they're getting NOWHERE with that shield the CT's using.



i like surfzilla's idea...Female Terrorists.

[Shotgun-Ninj4]

Edited by [user="160178"] @ [time="1089006288"]

OPIE wrote..

I say keep it. The shield is a beautiful sniper counter-measure. If they can fix the tiny exploits left with it, and I say a little bit slower movement. the shield should be good to go.



If the little 12 year olds are going to complain that their 1 shot cannon can't kill because of the shield. Let them, we don't need them in the community to begin with.



besides, the shield is really only effective on CS_Maps. And those are fun maps to begin with. I say keep it, because you can disable it on the servers.



The shield is another AWP issue. Many complain the 1 shot cannon is too powerful. IMO it is. But I don't think it should be removed. If you don't like the AWP go in AWP restricted servers. Same with the shield. If you don't like the shield, go in shield restricted servers.



So, just because people complain about it you're going to get rid of it? Well I see alot complaining about the AWP. Lets get rid of that too!



Since when does CAL make decisions about the whole community? And since when is skill required to have fun? Counter-Strike was never intended to be fast paced at all! A team organized game that take careful tactics and alot of planning to win each round. You want fast paced? Go play UT2K4. There is you're fast paced pointless deathmatch. Or if you even want to. DeathMatch classic. It's available on steam.



The shield is only banned in CAL because of the few glitchs that are left. CAL stated that when those glitchs are fixed. The shield would be legal in league play. It's part of the game. Adapt and Play. Hell I hate the AWP, but I play anyways right. FIND WAYS AROUND IT!

Sorry that was long of a post to quote, but I felt it necessary. This person has put quite possibly the best and most completely thought out opinion on this. Posts like "Shield rocks, keep it" and "shield's 'fckin' gay" don't provide... well anything. In my opinion, the only thing wrong with the shield is it's complete defense. If you took a real riot shield and put 150 .50 calibur rounds into it... c'mon it can't take that kind of punishment right? I don't really know, I'm not a gun/riot gear/militiaman freak, so I'm just assuming. The shield needs limitations to the beatings it can recieve.

First off... people don't like the shield cuz it blocks bullets, so what? Don't be a queer about it. I've done 1 on 1 with my friend who's.. just Godlike at CS and he LOVES the Shield. I used all of the MANY easy ways around it and beat him every round. First off, the shotgun's very effective. The TMP and Mac10 fire very fast, so you have a possible easier chance to hit them if they put their shield down (just a guess, don't jump at my throat if you disagree, please). Also the P90 is a beast against a shield. It's got 50 shots so you acn jsut shoot and move around them while doing so. It's eaaaaasy. Point is: don't whine about the shield because there are very effective ways to kill someone using it. I'd almost rather kill a shielder with a dorky handgun than a guy wielding a big fully automatic rifle at my face. (think about it!)

Another thing... you have a shield you can only use a pistol. So.. the only real effective weapon to use is the Deagle. Only handgun I'd put at teh same level as the big M4s or Aks and such. Deagle's got 7 shots, so you have ample time pump your 30 round MP5, AK, whatever into them while they're reloading (if this is too hard, then you must just suck and shoudln't whine about the shield in the first place) Point being: With a very awesome defensive item as teh shield, you lose a TON TON of offensive power. You just CANNOT argue with that, I don't care who you are.

Also, when people got shields, they tend (TEND, so not always) to be chickens. If someone's running at them, they might just backup and run (see it all the time) and they can only go so far, before you catch up to them. A person who rushes head on non-stop can be pretty deadly (these are usually the brave and skilled ppl with rifles and such). Someone who just camps or backs away can be rushed on and taken out (these would particularly be shielders). Also someone with a rifle has to mentally make themself aware of all 360 degrees around them. A shielder usually just concentrates on their front because their mindset is "I have total cover for my front" and will sometimes just lose thought about defending their butt. So nailing them in the back is just sooooo easy to pull off.



I guess that's all I have to say. Obviously I'm in favor of the shield.. just needs some work.. maybe a limit to how many bullets it can take, and it's physics (plenty of times I've shot right at the guy's open arm and it bounced off.. and it wasn't even someone usign the exploit) need a bit of work... I typed out this long long post so maybe it'd catch someone's eye and I wanted to put as much thought into this as possible, because so many people whine about the shield... It IS just another AWP.... Just live with it. I could go into why the AWP's not cheap, but I digress... that's all for now, hope this helped.

[JAk]

i got a good idea for once.. make the shielder move when getting hit.. if your holding a shield and you get hit with an awp.. have the shielder slide back a little. or if it gets to much damage to fast.. it undeploys so you expose some of yourself. ive see ppl camp doorways with a deployed shield and just stand thier till someone either comes behind.. or nades him.. so if hes just sitting there either have it so every time he gets hit, he slides back a little, or if 3 or 4 people are spraying the shielder so bad... make it undeploy because if you get shot at irl with a shield with like 200 rounds, you could very easily lose your grip and drop the sheild or even lossen your grip and expose your knee or arm.. just my opinion



i still say remove it tho.. god damnit im in the other room again

<-- not jak.. it's sourcez

[Laggasaurus Hax]

Shoe. Flip-flop. Sandal.



BOOT.

[Rob138]

I personally never use the shield and never will. Most servers have either banned the shield or have players smart enough not to use it. I don't really think it would matter one way or another. If it is going to delay the release then definitely drop it.

[raccoonboy5]

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D of the O J of the O J said:

I agree with most everything Opie said. I don't think we should get rid of AWPs, but I think he was just showing that the AWP is just about as unfair as the shield.

one thing i have to say about this is....awps can be bought by ct's or t's, sheilds can only be bought by ct's. so if your gonna leave the sheild in the game, give the t's somethin that will make people complain just as much

[Omicr0n]

remove that giant piece of unrealistic glitchy crap.

[Dragonfight5]

You should make the shield have like 1500 health and each shot does the damage of hitting a guy in the chest. Once the 1500 health depletes, the shield holder will start taking damage, while reducing the damage by half.

[fraggdya]

Lose the shield please

[slick_13_30]

I've seen a few people mention giving the T's the rocket launcher to counter the shield but wouldn't that pretty much switch the advantage over to the T side? Because if the Rocket Launcher took shielders out it could take everyone else out...then we would be having the same discussion over again about the rocket launcher instead of the shield...

[popewax|psycho]

Drop it like a pregnant mother down a flight of stairs.....er



OK, Counter-Strike to me, has always been a mod that tries to be realistic. The shield has always seemed to hamper this so much. The only way something would be able to stop bullets the way the Riot Shield does, is if it was steel and concrete :|



If the shield is kept I would like to see 9mm rounds stopped completely by it. Other caliber weapons would be able to penetrate but not at full stopping power, much the was rifle rounds do damage through walls

[Ryudo_16]

I would probably cry cause it is so hilarous and its makes me laugh..leave it in

[Marked1]

I agree w/ what has been said in favor of the shield... Shogun Ninja and opie were right Keep it... Now It does need to be modified a bit... could you add rag doll phys to it and when it gets hit it moves and if it strains the arm too much it hurts the user, and if too much damage has been taken from this then the user's arm breaks and he loses the shield... Now those that complain about the competitive gameing side of CS... I belive it's an intersting and needed part of the CS Community but CS is played mostly by people playing it for a fun game that has elements of Counter-terrorism in it... In case you havn't noticed Tactical Riot Shields are used... I am a modder and In my opnion the shield is a very fun and intersting part of CS... It is simpely a new part of the CS gameplay that has been developing since the beta's... In the end I will be really dissapointed if I load up CS:S and find I can't buy a Shield as a CT.....

Now perhaps the T's could get something just as controversal... perhaps a nade launcher so that you COULD counter the Shield...

Heres some gameplay where the shield has come in handy...

On rats as a CT y team usually seems to get mauled and is killed within 30 sec of the round from snipers and rushers... After we all bought shields and a few buying awps/rifles we co operated and covered ourselves while taking out the enemy....

I find it easier to use the 5-7 or P226 w/ the shield as they have bigger clips and still pack a punch... The best one on one shield tatic is to rush your rifle opponent while blocking and then when close enuf circle them and spray towards the head.... I went on a 5-7 shielding streak in assualt one time and killed 7 out of 9 T's for about 3-4 stright....

Please keep the shield Cliffe I think it's a great part of the continuing mod Counter-Strike.... I would also like to see models that have no Kevlar or Helmet and those are add to the model when purchased... That would be cool and some nifty Community models would come of it...

[robots]

For the Love of God - Keep it!



I'm rather new to CS, but I've been playing tactical shooters for years. The shield adds a much needed tactical element to the game that I've never really seen elsewhere. It allows those using it to provide "eyes" to areas that would otherwise be death-traps...i.e. - areas covered by awpers/scouts, while at the same time greatly reducing the users offensive capabilities. It also adds the ability to create portable cover, which is much needed as virtually every object in CS can be shot through.

Personally I think the fact that gameplay is slowed down is a positive thing. It can force more communication between teammates which allows for a much healthier community overall, which in turn leads to a longer and more enjoyable experience for all players.



Finally, as has been mentioned before, it can be turned off in the server options. And yes, I know that you can't currently filter out shield servers, so my suggestion would be to add such a filter. Then all of us that love killing with and being killed by shields can have our fun, and those that hate it can have theirs.



KEEP IT!

[Marked1]

Edited by [user="176132"] @ [time="1089009020"]

popewax|psycho wrote..

OK, Counter-Strike to me, has always been a mod that tries to be realistic. The shield has always seemed to hamper this so much. The only way something would be able to stop bullets the way the Riot Shield does, is if it was steel and concrete :|



If the shield is kept I would like to see 9mm rounds stopped completely by it. Other caliber weapons would be able to penetrate but not at full stopping power, much the was rifle rounds do damage through walls

Ummm what do you think a Tactical Riot Shield is made out of.. Card Board? They are designed to protect the user from many calabire weapons... and some are made out of anything from steel up to titanium... Plz keep it but play around w/ it and if possible i'd love to see my previous idea in there...

-edit bout the kevlar helmet being seprate models.. is it still possible for you to make models w/ different parts like in HL1 cause Sum1 from VALVe said you couldn't have changing head models (face anamations obvisouly) but can you still add parts like that to the model... (ex. bomb backpack..)