CZ Sees First Major Update

[ukHazard]

I likey. Although the solid radar option didn't appear to be in multiplayer > advanced (I used cl_radartype 1).



I'm glad all the annoyed people are going back to 1.5, they can enjoy their radars that don't even show up sometimes, the more difficult buy scripting, etc etc

[bozer]

I hate the people that want the awp nerfed. Sorry, but you guys just havent been playing long enough, or just arent very good at CS. Anyone who is good at this game and has played in leagues would be against the nerfing of the awp. Its like an alarm goes off that you're a newbie as soon as you bitch about awp whores. It was the one gun you couldn't just run around and spray with and get random headshot kills. The one gun where true skill could be shown. I have confidence this will be rolled back, because the outrage from all the people who have been playing for a long time is probably going to be really strong on this one, and I know as of late Valve has been listening to the feedback.

[Electronic Punk]

not watched any clan matches... but do they all run around with the awp and deagle?

[M4rine]

#118 your a scrub bub.

[uhaulball]

"realisticlly speaking..." : CS was never realistic and over 4 years of development, they're nopw trying to change it to be realistic. But the people that wanted a realistic game looked elsewhere and the people that appreciated the arcade like counter-terrorism genre picked up cs. Changing CS to be realistc at this point of time is really destroying what CS is and making a new game. Only people that will appreciate it are the new people that are just starting cs recently. The large crosshairs (copying other games like raven shield) is just ridiculous. And realistically speaking, when a sniper shoots his shot, he looks up to scan; since one cannot do this in cs, the awper switches his gun to simulate the ability to look up after a shot. no sniper with half a brain in real life would continue to look into the scope after he has fired a shot.



"if you don't like the changed, stop playing cs..." : this is the most moronic and childish comeback that ive seen everywhere. really, just stfu. Its like saying, if a new law is passed in this country and u disagree, pack your bags and move out of the country instead of contributing ur opionion. who cares about the decades that you and ur family have been here, just move out. some logic! (dumbshit)



"If you weren't a 'cs newb' youd have changed your sprites by now." : if YOU weren't a cs newb, youd know by now there are LEAGUES that don't allow custom sprites, and if you weren't a newb, you'd be in one of those fucking leagues. Are you that ignorant? Its the people that play competively that drive this 'community' forward. stupid pubbers have no say.

and all u morons that are saying "hooray for the AWP nerf!!" : I'm actually enlightened by just how many newbs are out there. Honestly, i didn't know there were so many. but then again what did i expect from people in a site predominantly known for their skins/models. They obviously are newbs that arent in leagues and do not realize the impact this change will make. as well as the new crosshairs taht are 3 times as big as the old.

[T|2i|34L]

Bozer - I saw your posts on steamforums too. Frankly you are full of shit. Some of us who are happy have probably been playing longer than you.



I've been playing since the days when the p90 ruled the earth - I don't need to hear your self-righteous drivel about being a pro player blah blah blah. Pro players in real* clans account for a small percentage of the CS world, hell most pub players don't even know a CS community exists outside of the game.



Frankly, someone that has a higher accuracy using other weapons like the colt, ak, mp5, p90, pistols, etc... impresses me much more than some lame ass that decides to awp rush with his trusty railgun and use a quickswitch expolit to get easy kills. That's what this patch eliminates - the exploit, not the skill. This change will for people with sniper rifles to use sniper tactics instead of just running around.



I seriously doubt this patch will be rolled back, and honestly I hope it doesn't. Have you ever fired an AWM? I have. Do they reload quickly. No. They are designed to be a one-shot one-kill weapon, from a great distance, and almost always fired from prone. Not some n00b's rush gun.



I don't doubt that you have skills, but when a 2 week old newb buys his first awp - he has almost as much skill as anyone else. Besides - your skill most likely from time spent in-game, being able to predict certain things on certain maps - that's where alot of my skills come from - experience. I have no doubt that you can play well with any gun.



Quickswitch is handy, but it should not be exploited as it has been. Adapt.



* - clans that actually compete in CPL.

uhaulball wrote..

"If you weren't a 'cs newb' youd have changed your sprites by now." : if YOU weren't a cs newb, youd know by now there are LEAGUES that don't allow custom sprites, and if you weren't a newb, you'd be in one of those fucking leagues. Are you that ignorant? Its the people that play competively that drive this 'community' forward. stupid pubbers have no say.

Douche - I don't have time to play in a league or be in a clan. I work for a living, I don't play games. Something which you should attempt, unless you're happy living in mom and dad's basement. It's a game - and many of us treat it as such, and continue to play regardless of game changes. Money for Valve is what drives this community, not leagues. You think Valve would continue to support, or even create new games if it wasn't profitable?



I am well aware that CPL doesn't allow custom sprites or models, but I am also aware that they help make the game more FUN for me. Therefor - I couldn't give a shit less what the "leagues" do.

[Warrax]

Edited by [user="49369"] @ [time="1083248258"]

WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE damnit guys GET OVER IT. People always whine when an update is released that have signifiant changes. those improvement are GREAT, just GET USED TO IT. You guys whine TOO MUCH, there is always a reason for you to whine, your whining is not credible anymore, you whined too much.



ADAPT AND GET OVER IT.

[Yams]

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I aboslutely love the changes made to the underused guns. I have alot of fun using the ump, mac10, and 5-7. The ump and mac10 are a lot more accurate. I love how I can run and gun with the ump now, just like the mp5. The mac10 has a very nice new rate of fire. I can rip bullets on an enemy very quickly now and that is how the gun should have been in cs.



The galil also seems to have a faster rate of fire. It's a better weapon now, combining speed, accuracy and damage to match the m4a1. Now I have a fighting chance on aztec.



The 5-7 is actually useful now. Not as powerful, but very accurate and good for the run and gun situations.



I'm still trying to figure out the other various improvements/changes. It seems to me that the ak47 has less recoil. Someone wanna verify this?



Also, if people are against the new type of radar, just find a custom radar hud sprite.



Edit: On the crosshairs, I find them both good and bad. Good because now I can see right at my target without anything blocking it. It's easier for me to follow. Bad because it is harder for me to get pinpoint accuracy on enemies that are at a longer distance.

[chainz]

Im pretty excited about the new updates, but steam says steam network is down

[gumplunger]

chainz wrote..

Im pretty excited about the new updates, but steam says steam network is down

quoted for truth

[EldiAl3loS]

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[bozer]

#125..



I can rape just as hard if not more with the AK or COLT. The problem is, where do I spend all the money I add up? I get bored, and want to use the AWP/DEAGLE combo. Theres WAY more skill in that then you realize. Those are the three main weapons I use... and Im great with all of them. Id be stating my opinion if the colt or ak was nerfed, as well. Its not a matter of wanting to be cheap or whatever it is you believe. Its a matter of taking out a gun that balances out the game perfectly, among the good players. You can run around with your P90 all day long on your crappy little pub server, and Im not going to bother you about it. So why must people like you constantly wine about the awp? Learn to use it, then learn why we dont want it changed.

[Bokuho]

The radar: I don't give a damn about because I'm not going to use the solid one anyway. If i had been done wellt hen I would use it, but it sucks, thus I'll just be using the 'old' radar. No biggie though.



The AW/M change: Kinda sucks. I personally never use the AW/M, but before you got a certain sense of statisfaction when you headshot and AW/Mer from one side of Militia to the other using your TMP or P90. Now, it's doesn't feel as good.



Headshot sprite: What the fuck were they thinking? Seriously, they really dregged the bottom of the barrel with this one. It's far to big, ugly anyway, and it's just really damn distracting. I don't give a damn what weapon someone headshot with, the whole point of headshots is that it doesn't matter about the weapon, they're dead in one anyway.



Crosshairs: Again, what in the blue hell were VALVe thinking? You know, the best crosshair ever would be a simple dot in the center of the csreen, or failing that, a small X in the center, ala Unreal Tournament. Now before this update, the CS crosshairs were too big which was annoying, but not too much of a problem - you could get used to it quickly. But now, christ, god help you if you're trying to do some Spray n Praying with the Mac10 or P90. These bigger crosshairs are also more distracting overall, and now the basic rifles like the Colt M4A1 and AK-47 aren't half as good at long-range pot-shots as they were before.





Overall, bad update. VERY bad update. I don't know why, but VALVe seem intent on losing all of their players. First they screw up the custom model community for no reason by switching the hands over. Then even the people that just use custom spray images by pointlessly renaming the spray file. And now look, they've hevaly modified the game without running it past the gamers first.



You know, if they had simply mentioned all this crap before it wouldn't be so bad. But no, they just went ahead and gave it the green light without running it past us. I won't be surprised if alot of the more 'pro' players give VALVe and earful because of this.

[peagle]

T|2i|34L wrote..

Freaking whiners. ADAPT. AWP < RAILGUN



Read a book called, "Who Moved My Cheese" and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Quoted for truth.

[BBG]

Damn, look at all the pussies.



Look, the AWP is still the same gun, but now you can't exploit it and get an extra advantage. The reason you're all bitching is because you know you won't be able to go berserk with AWP anymore, you'll actually have to learn how to use it (unless you do already). It's not like they made it weaker or anything, so quit crying.



The HS sprite, who cares if it's ugly? It's only on there for like, 2 seconds anyway, so why bitch?



The solid radar is pretty cool, I guess, even if it is ugly.



I guess there's some other changes too, but Valve wasn't specific, which kinda pisses me off, but meh.