A Possible Pro-Mode?

[rizzuh]

Seaweed wrote..

you yanks are the reason cs sucks so much atm, we're all getting sick of the constant dumbing down of the game for fat american teens who play public servers. These changes were suggested for a decent clanned game of cs something no one in america seems to play or atleast the vast majority of csn readers as we say in the uk stick to UK2.

You want less recoil, CO rules, a slower AWP, no dead bodies, and the ability to jump every thirty milliseconds, and you're saying we want to dumb down the game?



I believe that if someone opens fire, they are taking a risk and should be able to face consequences for that. I think that CO rules ruin half the strategy of CS and that the game is spectator-friendly enough. I don't think a rapid-fire AWP ruins clan play. I believe that dead bodies allow you to track down killers (or ambush hunters). I think that if someone is careless enough to jump, they are taking a risk based on the situation.



So, no, this fat, American teenager doesn't believe in a dumb CS. You do. And you call it a pro-mode. What a disgrace.

[xlokix]

[Dirk]

More americans play this game than euro's am I correct?



-dp-



EDIT: and you just got owned by rze. Have a nice day. D:

[ZackMorris]

rizzuh wrote..

So, no, this fat, American teenager doesn't believe in a dumb CS. You do. And you call it a pro-mode. What a disgrace.

Wow, you are now currently Rizzuh little bitch. GG Riz

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vamiciouskanid wrote..

Wow, you are now currently Rizzuh little bitch. GG Riz

Wow you are now currently an idiot, for you quoted the wrong post.

[f+]

rizzuh wrote..

You want less recoil, CO rules, a slower AWP, no dead bodies, and the ability to jump every thirty milliseconds, and you're saying we want to dumb down the game?

explain to me how making the game faster is dumbing it down.

[rizzuh]

f+ wrote..

explain to me how making the game faster is dumbing it down.

Faster? How will jumping make the game any faster?

[f+]

maybe cause it's not as slow.

go figure?

[rizzuh]

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f+ wrote..

maybe cause it's not as slow.

go figure?

That doesn't make any sense unless jumping will make people accelerate like with bunnyhopping. And I'd call that dumbing movement down.

[Dis Guy Here]

less recoil + fast weapon switching + no slowdown jumping = quake 3 clone.

[BruiserY5K]

Face facts. 1.5 and 1.6 are slowly killing cs. The game is boring now compared to how it used to be. Pre 1.4 it used to be a fast paced tactical game, you could jump past awp spots, run/jump around and still maintain enough recoil accuracy to kill - BUT it required more skill to do so. 1.5 and 1.6 put an end to that, moving the game more towards rainbow six style games of camping and waiting around corners.



Some of the comments on here are typical - change always invites terror in some people, thats why without raising any valid points people are slating his column. If you look at almost all of the comments made by the current pros, most of them want 1.3 jumping back. The game was much faster than it is now, and high skill factors were removed to make is beginner friendly.



Lets look at the examples - if you bring back fast switching of weapons, its a big advantage to good players, purely because they can switch to pistol and back without the delay u get in 1.5/1.6 . Aiming at a person jumping is much harder, and also good players who can jump around a map are able to assault camp spots much easier, as well as jump past common awp hotspots - hence why there was such uproar since it was clearly an attempt to make the game beginner friendly. Jumping did make the game faster, anyone who disagrees simply didnt play much in the previous versions. The deagle as well, its a joke what has been done to that fine pistol - it was a pistol which a person with good aim could kill a riffler in 1-2 shots - hency why it was dumbened down to reduce another "high skill" factor.



He made a good point about the "splitting" of the community - its not a big united community as it is, cs is already dying because its getting slower with each version and more of a tactical camping game (only alternative is to rush in numbers which isnt something easily controlled). If you introduce pro-mode, most of the current community would move to that. Like a stupid poster previously said, if HeatoN and SK play it, then so would all their fans and wannabe's, as well as all of the CPL teams, the best online leagues, etc.



What does it tell you if even those who oppose pro-mode agree that it would take over? Does it not tell u that its the better game, what people want, what the majority want?



What would be ideal is if there was no pro-mode, but the important changes were made. At the moment cs is a good online fps, its not special, in 1.3 for example it was awesome, you could camp round corners if u wanted to, or rush in jumping around, or deagle more accurately than now. CS is now just a shadow of its former self, still a good game, but getting boring and repetitive because of the inability to do the more "advanced" stuff which made it so great.

[MikeJ]

BruiserY5K wrote..

change always invites terror in some people,

Hello Mcfly, you are one of those people. Bringing back CS 1.3 is not a step forward, it's a step backwards.



But you're right in concluding that any changes made to Counter-Strike at this point should affect the game as a whole and not some silly "pro-mode."

[DchozN]

less recoil + fast weapon switching + no slowdown jumping

=1.0

[BruiserY5K]

K read more comments, lemme spell this out, cause I think this is where hes coming from and what some people arent understanding:



1) Valve have made the game more "beginner friendly" to get more people playing it, if u keep getting owned by good players it can be offputting, if u kill more u enjoy more, etc. These changes have made the game slower, more random, and frustrating - eg aim a deagle at someones back and shoot 7 times and alot of the time nothing happens



2) Valve wont make those changes in a steam update, theyve purposely made those changes (eg jumping, random recoil eg deagle ak) in order to dumben down the things "high skilled" can use to their advantage, the accusation being that this is to make more money



3) Majority of people I know (yes I realise I dont know many people) who have been playing at a good level before 1.3 think the game is slow and camper orientated/noob friendly, removing jumping and the ability to shoot somewhat accurately whilst moving/jumping with some guns especialy detrimental to gameplay



4) Since valve have made these changes to cs which negate gameplay and are welcomed by those new to cs, the pros are stuck - they want old jumping recoil and fast gameplay, and valve it seems will not change them back since they made those changes in the first place for their own reasons, and those reasons will not have changed.



5) Hence the call for a pro-mode, its still the same game, just faster and less random, more high skilled and with dumb stuff like the shield removed. Since valve wont take cs back to the high skilled faster version, whats wrong with asking for a different version.



Im sure most of the pros would switch over, hence so would the big tournaments and online leagues, and thus so would the "top" teams - if you havent noticed, this split is already there, do SK play random medium skilled ladder teams?



And I cant help but feel that there wouldnt be a split - the community would move over to the "pro-mode" and the current 1.6 version would die out once the newer players move on to bf vietnam or cod or pro-mode. Hence, no split. A pro mode wont split the community because the top half of the community would move over to it (and the bottom half would follow), so if valve do bring out a pro-mode it would practically be 1.7.



Almost all of the arguements with this column are due to paranoia about the community splitting - ignoring this issue, what do we have? A bunch of changes (some that arent important lik the dead bodies) that most people would like to see.



Logically, the situation is this: a list of changes that people want, but people dont want it in a completely different version. Yet they want those changes and would play the version with those changes.

[Joey2cool]

I think they need to rewrite the article and take all the bugfixes(radar transparency ect) and seperate that from the pro mode argument. Then rename "pro mode" to "noob/iwantcs1.3back mode"