Cliffe On Balance

[raging dragon]

Gameshot911 wrote..

Has anyone given thought to maybe increasing the maxmoney to like $20,000?

I agree its what I've been thinking all along (who decided on 16000,make it a nice round number like 20k$) and also reward players with more money especially with the new prices!!1

[{Sose}]

cliffe: Tweaks to the M249 (a.k.a. Para) SAW's accuracy and damage would be most excellent, even the R.O.F. (Rate of Fire) could be a bit higher. And giving it a specifically unique ability would just awesome. (Hint: Giving it the ability to pierce and damage the shield at lower damage {Say anywhere from 4 to 11 damage with each piercing round}, or something to add a bit more spice to the game).



Also, I agree wholeheartedly with EldiAl3loS.



There should most definitely not be any sort of "Pro Mode".

[TeKniques]

Take a look at Quckdraw's avatar. Take the game too serious? Cliffe > You.



Anyways, the only changes I don't like are:



MP5 - fine where it is.



AK - How about only a $200 increase? It still doesn't have the spray and pray accuracy the M4 does, so making it the same price is not fair.

[Def1ance]

If they do increase the prices, it would make sense to make the max money a bit higher, I dunno if 20k is enough, I would go for 25k.

[SteelV]

I like the idea of those other pistols being cheapter, but m4/ak/galil should NOT be more expensive. It already exists so that you have to save for a round or two for them, that is fine. Otherwise if one team is owning another team, that other team will NEVER get any good guns, it will just be constantly getting owned.

[{Sose}]

I don't think there's much need for a maximum money increase. But if there was to be one, I'd say 17,500. (Thats only if it was to be implimented)

[lopinboy]

Ok... wtf... They want to up the AK price, yet leave the M4 untouched? M4 should cost at the minimal $3400.

[Venom666]

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raging dragon wrote..

I agree its what I've been thinking all along (who decided on 16000,make it a nice round number like 20k$) and also reward players with more money especially with the new prices!!1

LOL. So u have: X=max money, Y=weapon price, and Z=reward and want to increase all of them? DOH! same thing as nothing genius...



And yes, if they increase the Ak price they must increase colt's price too.



Now the Ts will have more expensive weapons than CT.

Takin off AK. All ohter rifles of the Ts are more expensive than the CTs (Sig > Aug, g3sg1 > 550, and galil > famas)

[BBG]

I think they should add a few shotguns and an MG or too as well. I agree with a lot of these changes.

[Venom666]

I my opinion the Aug and Sig should cost the same of each other(independant of their price) Reason: balance



And I think that if they increase the Ak price they must increase colt's price too. Ak is so letal than Colt in a experienced players hand. Sith someone who does not aim very well, the colt is very better so it should be more expensive than AK (not only $100, i would say $300)



Cliffe: thank you for letting the community show off their opinions.

[Bokuho]

Looks good to me. The T weapons are generally better then the CT versions (AK-47 > Colt M4A1, Mac10 > TMP, Galil > FAMAS, the only real exception is that the CTs get the USP.45ACP while the Ts get the Glock18c), and it was very unfair, I thought, that the Ts could buy AK-47s on the second round while the CTs would be stuck with the (frankly near-useless) MP5-Navy. These price changes have made it alot fairer in my view. It's nice to see some of the prices reflecting 'realism' too - such as the Ts being able to get hold of Mac10's really easily (compared to the CTs and their TMP) while it's harder for them to get hold of more 'professional' weapons such as the SG-552 (compared to the CTs and their Aug). The pistols too, with the new prices, have become more useful - even after the last price drop the Elites were still too expensive to bother with, the FN FiveseveN has always been way over-priced given how weak it is, and the P228 is hardly better then the USP.45 anyway (just a slight power increase and one more round per magazine), so it makes sense that it shouldn't cost all that much more.

And as a bonus, the P90, which has forever been my favourite weapon (both in CS and in real life, not that I've ever actually used one in real life of course) is finally priced reasonably :)



If these changes go ahead as they are now (and by god they should do), then it'll all be for the better. You people bitching about it effecting the more 'professional' side of CS need to grow up - these changes are better for everyone, even if you're too naive to see that.

[CheesyPeteza]

Actually having though about it, I have changed my mind. These are bad ideas. Don't touch the main guns everyone uses, just lower the prices of the crappy guns. That way you can make them used more, but also not mess with the almost perfect money system there is at the moment.

[Thortok2000]

A few things more.



1) On the phrase 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' that I seem to hear a lot from this discussion:



As opposed to nerfing these guns by changing how they operate (damage, rate of fire, etc.), which would make pretty much everyone 'hardcore' scream bloody murder, they're increasing the price. This is about the most 'hardcore-friendly' nerf they can give and these guns need nerfing.



The game is broke, and they are going to fix it. Only having a third of the guns used, ever, or less? That's broke. Sorry about your AK/M4 "This is what Counter-Strike is" mentality, but the designers never intended that 2/3rds of the guns they put into the game would be 'useless'.



2) On the amount of 'excessive save rounds' in matches/scrims



The point is that you can now actually use other guns than the MP5 when you want to 'eco'. Also, that one awper that can kill four of your M4s in one round will actually have to earn the awp, and it'd be much harder to get the 2 or 3 awps on the same team that seem to determine the match, especially for CT's on a DE map (think cbble, 3 awpers can hold off against any amount of non-snipers, short of exceptional use of flash and smoke grenades, and that's not including the other 2 colts).



Also, the 2nd-round AK on first-round-T-win is much too powerful. Heck, some can even buy an AK on first-round-T-loss, if they got a kill or two and saved. They can now galil instead, which is a good /enough/ gun for 2nd round, or save up and get AK on third round. Or just get more kills on their first round.



They're not changing for the sake of changing. They are improving. As Spoonman said, be greatful you've got the chance to give your opinion.

[stevomanevo]

Def1ance wrote..

================== Now for you CSN idiots.

Shut up plz, bitching won't do anything, All I read (I read the whole "thread") was flaming and bitching. If you don't like it, like someone said above, voice it in a mature manner, that way Cliffe, or any other CS dev might actually read it.

my post #69 in this thread specificaly asked for help "voicing".

[Gpig]

You'd think since I only just play competitively now I'd have an opinion. Eh, who cares.