HL2 Source Code Leak Confirmed

[Mr. Chan]

lopinboy wrote..

Millions of dollars are at stack and they are paying a person $100,000+ to make sure this type of stuff doesn't happen. They screwed up and hired a person who shouldn't of been there and now they might be paying for it.

I hope you're not referin to valve...as computer developers are lucky to make a few hundred thousand, much less millions 'at stack' ...publishers i believe, hold more in their pockets than the developers...i.e. activision would hold more money than say, Raven Software (a small 50 man team a few years ago, who developed SOF1/2, Elite force, etc)~



Either way, gg on that punching bag picture...too bad its only a picture..? I bet you could market that with Velcro letters and matte back pictures and people would buy it..ill stick with the classic dart board though (not the rubber-tips for you kiddies)



"Mommy WOW! I'm a big boy now!"

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That is not entirely true, the post on UKTerrorist.



If you bothered to read the Steam Terms of service, etc. you would notice that by registering an account on Steam and using Valve's system puts you under a sort of contract, officially referred to as a 'Subscription'. Everyone who now plays 1.6 obviously has a Subscription and if you don't, then you will not be playing it or any other HL mods in the future.



What this is basically, is for people who do 'not' own or have not purchased a copy of HL or one of the retail releases. If you have a cd-key, you're fine to go basically. If not, then you do not have a 'subscription' and you must 1) buy the game in-store, 2) buy the game via Steam and download it, 3) give up and bitch about how commercial things are now with Steam (which is no different than it was before, just now things are more centralized).



Steam is the best thing to happen to a gaming community yet. It's a standardized, central platform to combat all the system configurations each game must go through, including the entire inconvienance issue people may have with going to a store on release day. The most apparent problem would be not enough bandwidth to pull this off effectively in the United States (where broadband is often monopolized in lower economic areas/not offered at all). The solution for this is for companies (hint hint AT&T) to discontinue their large conquests for broadband domination, but try to picture that happening any time soon. The fact is, the companies do not wish to make it more readily available, nor do they wish to give a more standardized service. Instead they prey on the confusions of their customers, the local exchanges and regions offering the service and non-governmental interference. Enough on that.



Steam has the potential to truely and uniquely out-perform any 'web-install' concepts in the past. One of the most interesting concepts I've heard of was when the Real Network (RealPlayer, etc) started up the r&d for compressing entire pc titles down to approx. 20MB (as an example, they had a goal of pressing Q3 into a 20mb file) and allow people of all connections, broad and narrow, to download these files after purchasing, via a streaming network. It was an amazing concept and, after all is said and done, when you have these large files and the CDs they came on (HL, CS, DOD Retail, etc etc) then the little updates and lack of 'patches' is all the more worth the effort, bugs, and long-awaited version 1.0 release.



Question remains, which version is our software now..?

[Twoheadedchicken]

computer espionage was probably it. No1 sane would hack like that without trying to get something out of it or getting paid to do so.

[Mr. Chan]

I'm willing to bet 9.5/10 hackers don't get hired from people conspiring to nab src codes from upcoming games, if for no reason other than it wouldn't be as challenging for an expert?



Real hackers who get 'paid' don't do so to do silly things like this, they get paid for what theyknow to keep malicious people abay, not for conspiring kiddies who want a crack at a game



That's just downright silly, 'espionage' lol...its not the CIA...its a game dev co.

[Pharlap]

pwnd wrote..

myg0t aren't exactly experienced hackers. They just like to cause trouble by tk'ing etc.

true, most arn't.

but ive heard the sourceX guy is knwn to hack here and there.

[abysmal]

Mr Chan speeks truths. According to valve, every penny has been spent on HL2 that they have earned, and really, it does show it. Those fancy physics engines arent cheap you know. Then theres licences for updated programs such as XSI, VS.net etc, they really dont come cheap either. Staff also need paid, taxes need paid, bills etc. At the end of the day its a costly business, and one which guarentees no road to success.



I think i recall reading somewhere that not even 5/6 developers make a profit. Obviously lopinboy you haven't thought this all through, and should perhaps stop trolling and picking on others who are only expressing their anger at the leetz0r hax0r. Either way, you have to admire the hacker's skills, for managing to pull this off, but no damn way would i admire the hacker himself, for using said skills for such a stupid task. As ive mentioned before, Ive heard it was only part of the havoc physics that was leaked, so I doubt hes sitting at home right now gandering through bugbait :)



If the community sticks together, he can be cought, and made an example of, and by jebus I hope he does.

[Xx-Ness-xX]

I'm just wondering what if the hack is caught..........

fist to death?

I would like to see that.............

Loser hackers

[Pharlap]

Xx-Ness-xX wrote..

I'm just wondering what if the hack is caught..........

fist to death?

I would like to see that.............

Loser hackers

which part of his body do u propose fisting first?

[Ghengis]

Pharlap wrote..

which part of his body do u propose fisting first?

where do you want it?

[InstantNoodles2]

hehehe i have to say i really dont care.... but hell i got a copy of the source right here.... i just want to know how to play it

[-:Nighthawk:-]

I have to admit, when you actually know about security levels at VALVe, and how they deal with employees and access to the source, it's rather amusing (though sometimes enraging) to see the stupid guesses that people pawn off as fact in here.



Simply put, some of you have no experience in network security. All you know is what you've read on this site or that site and seen in the news. When it comes down to it, you don't have a damn clue. And on top of this, you don't even have the slightest clue about how VALVe deals with these issues. Yet some of you are acting like you somehow are the expert and know what "should have been done" or some crap like that.



Give it up guys, eh? VALVe got screwed, that sucks. We'll see what comes of it. For now, though, let the "self-prolaimed expert" bit drop.

[Solitude]

-:Nighthawk:- wrote..

I have to admit, when you actually know about security levels at VALVe, and how they deal...



Simply put, some of you have no experience in network security. All you know is what you've read on this site or that site and seen in the news. When it comes down to it...



Give it up guys, eh? VALVe got screwed, that sucks. We'll see what comes of it. For now, though, let the "self-prolaimed expert" bit drop.

How about you put a cap on that bottle of hatorade and shut your mouth.

[log1c]

all you people that keep saying valve would/could/should make money off of sueing people need to set down the crack pipe. what company(or person with the intelligence above using outlook express on the pc with HL2 source code on it) is gonna actually use this for anything but making cheats?



which leaves only one person to sue. the person who actually did the theft. and since we all know that hackers around the globe no matter how old/smart/dumb/young, are all worth at least $10,000,00.00 in their bank accounts, i say screw waiting for companies to hock their new hl2 engine and go after the hackers that are out there stealin' eveyones source codes and livin large off of that...



wanna know my biggest fear from all of this? k good. i sure hope, for valves sake,that no one tries to rip off source code for the RICOCHET MOD. becuase THATS where the real money is.

[Mr. Chan]

InstantNoodles2 wrote..

hehehe i have to say i really dont care.... but hell i got a copy of the source right here.... i just want to know how to play it

Sure you do. I bet everyone's wandering how to 'play it' too...

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log1c wrote..

all you people that keep saying valve would/could/should make money off of sueing people need to set down the crack pipe. what company(or person with the intelligence above using outlook express on the pc with HL2 source code on it) is gonna actually use this for anything but making cheats?



which leaves only one person to sue. the person who actually did the theft. and since we all know that hackers around the globe no matter how old/smart/dumb/young, are all worth at least $10,000,00.00 in their bank accounts, i say screw waiting for companies to hock their new hl2 engine and go after the hackers that are out there stealin' eveyones source codes and livin large off of that...



wanna know my biggest fear from all of this? k good. i sure hope, for valves sake,that no one tries to rip off source code for the RICOCHET MOD. becuase THATS where the real money is.

As mentioned previously, no one is going to make a direct profit from the source.



Also, you don't necessarily need the source to technically make a cheat, you just need to know how things flow.



Look at j00lz, quite a character to say the least, but it's people like him who get the attention of Valve (hopefully) and put their work to good use, regardless of what happened. If he hadn't released his work, there would be no proof. As it stood, if you recall, Valve had let a simple method get by for 6 months on winme systems, quite remarkable how 'nubbie' vac is compared to how much success everything thinks it is...well, perhaps it' gotten rid of some hack jobs on some cheats, so now perhaps only experienced people can work on things...who knows, all in all its the people's choice in how much time and dedication they go to prove their points (whatever they may be) so far as why they feel they must make the cheats and why Valve feels they should focus more of their time and efforts into stopping them.



The fact people freak out so much, just proves how even normal people use cheats for fun and such in their own servers. Can you blame them? Of course there's the people who outright protest everything (usually before they even know what they're dealing with) and don't realize, "Hey, it's just a Gameshark for online."



Truth is, more people than you know, people you may even trust or think would never do such, already have cheated whether it be truely cheating to win, playing arond or just checkin' things out for exploratory purposes. You can't expect everyone to play by the rules, weren't they made to be broken?



No you might say, but somehow I sense a large populous of hypocrites when I hear that because in all actuality what you view morally right in a 'game' whether it be just a 'game' or representation of what you would/could/should do if given that situation, it all comes down to no one likes all the rules and most people break them at one point or another. So, Little Mr. Goodie Two-shoes, got h4x?



Just like to point out how little you people estimate the power of h4x, they're more than just aimbot and wallhacks with esp, it's quite a different scenario. Even some of the older cheats (no names or versions disclosed) offer very convienient features. Such as? Well, for one (and before such programs and utilz were so abundant) in-game winamp control. Just a taste. Some darker items? Flush lighting and cross-section gridlines for the ultimate fashion esp...the wallhack without the wallhack. Shoot your teammates, shoot enemies, shoot everyone. Tracing, lock-on, firing and even movement. Head, groin, intestines, legs, feet, arms, hands. Translucency, transparency.



You people have no idea. Quite sad.

[log1c]

and heres another fucking brainchild that has apperantly alluded valve and their online superstar fanboy nighthawk: have all computers with the code NOT connected to the internet. maybe give all the programmers who 'need to check their mail' MORE THAN ONE COMPUTER HMM?!?! one connected to an inter office network only and another connected to the internet?!?! or at least just put ONE pc on the internet and pay some fucking hish school dropout minimum wage to sit there all day and check everyones email for them. not like valve couldnt afford either scenario.



lol and these are the people were supposed to trust to make it worth our money to buy their new hl2 game? haha i wouldnt trust these assclowns to drink water without dribbling it down their shirts, let alone to be able to use anything remotely close to intelligence in guarding their 'secret code' or doing anything else right. but thats just me judging them by their incredibly good track record.

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LOLOOLOL MR CHAN



apparently your sarcasm detector is broken.

[PCF|Herman]

"I'm absolutely amazed at the number of people who seem to envision Valves business network as been a peer to peer network with a 56k modem slapped into the Serial port of one of the machines.



Jesus christ, to get to the code the hackers may have back tracked through god knows how many machines, switches and routers - that takes a whole load of skill and at the end of the day true hackers are experts and extremely clever. It's just sad they use their skills to the black side.



A network admin can easily counter script kiddies, and VB hackers but peoeple who know what they're doing can be seriously hard to combat. At the end of the day, the second a computer gets connected to the internet, no matter how far along the line, it's at risk - however, in todays day and age it would be seriously under productive to have seperate networks, or even worse, no internet connection.



In conclusion, it's a risk that most businesses have to take and most people get away with it, sadly some dont."



You pratt.