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  • Lethal

    #31
    Edited by [user="2443"] @ [time="1029991688"]

    nolimits wrote..

    It doesnt seem like i have been banned, but according to this i should have been.



    I have never used a cheat outside of my server or lan so i better not get banned for this :-\
    Testing? Riiiiiiight. Don't we all have to "test" every now and then. Hey! Lets test the same cheat that works over and over again to see if they can detect it yet!



    Cheating by any means is a disgrace to your own skill, if any.



    And yes, you have to be caught a few times before being actually banned. 1 this is for people who might actually change for the better, and stop cheating, and 2 in case it actually fails, and a cheat isn't actually present, yet it detects one.



    And finally, if you DO still want to "test cheats," make your server unsecure, then you can test all day long, without the worry of being banned from your own server!
    V1P3R wrote..

    Ok, I have a problem with that CD Key change thing....... I have a 3 computer lan at my house and my friends frequently come over to lan. What happens when there are like 5 guys on my network using different CD Keys but have the same IP? Does that mean we're gonna get banned?



    I really dont like the idea of a ban list, it can cause too many stipulations.......... Valve jsut needs to crack down hardcore like battle.net did. No cheats possible. They BETTER make sure that CS2 is cheat free 100% since its gonna be on a new engine.
    As long as the IP's are slightly different it shouldn't really matter (last 2/3 digits) if not.. umm, test it out? :)



    As for battle.net, wait a few months, Warcraft III is new, Warcraft III may be a cinch, the packets were already figured out during the BETA stage. And as for Diablo II, 90% of the people who cheated, abused, horribly. When duping / chest hacking / etc were available, many people used them to such an extent that it lagged the servers for everyone, including the legit players. They were literally forced to crack down, before their service was completely ruined. Of course, deleting over 7,000 accounts of chest hackers was funny shit. However, comparativeley to CS, cheating on Battle.net was MUCH more widespread, there tend to be less morals when you are only playing for yourself, and the generally maturity level tends to be much lower (lack of self-control and respect for others, typically leads to cheating).



    As for CS2, don't be so nieve yet, no game is completely hack free, and never will be. Just as the CD companys were defeated by scotch tape and felt tip markers with their new "anti-piracy" measures. :)



    Fear my magic marker you rich baffoons.
    nolimits wrote..

    ok, thats good, but does this mean i am no longer able to test if cheats work or not? thats kinda gay cuz then i cant tell if there is a working cheat out...
    Convicted Felon for assault with a deadly weapon: "Honest officer! If you give me this 45 baretta I wont harm a fly!"



    Um, if you're so damned worried about cheaters getting in to your server, or playing with you, why would you resort to their level to so called 'test' the system? Its plain hypocritical. Read the rest of the artice, it clearly says mail him PERSONALLY if you believe there are working hacks. When people say things like that it sounds more like they want to "test if there are any working cheats out" so they can USE the working cheats to CHEAT. *gasp!*



    If you're turely 'anti-cheat'... whats the point of worrying about it at all? Just ban them if you're an admin, vote kick them if you're a guest, or leave. You don't have to be just as lame as them. You KNOW what the cheats do already, if someone shoots you from the vent in assault to the back of the truck, then you KNOW somethings fucked, there should be no need to go download every damn version of OGC, OpenGL wallhack, Aimbot, just to see exactly which one it is... unless you want to cheat yourself.

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    • cHic0!

      #32
      I agree w/ lethal 100%



      Blizzard better fix that maphack or i will come and personally kick their asses! I doubt they will though =/... look at starcraft.



      Anyway, the only thing that bothers me w/ VAC is the cd key thingy... My friend and i are currently sharing cd keys, i'm waiting for my other friend who doesnt play HL anymore to get off vacation so i can get his. we better not get banned...



      I think valve should explain how they detect the cd key changers.

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      • -Dice

        #33
        cHic0 wrote..

        I think valve should explain how they detect the cd key changers.
        Let's tell the enemy which way we're rushing and exactly how we'll do it!

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        • Lethal

          #34
          Edited by [user="2443"] @ [time="1029992413"]

          cHic0 wrote..

          I agree w/ lethal 100%



          Blizzard better fix that maphack or i will come and personally kick their asses! I doubt they will though =/... look at starcraft.



          Anyway, the only thing that bothers me w/ VAC is the cd key thingy... My friend and i are currently sharing cd keys, i'm waiting for my other friend who doesnt play HL anymore to get off vacation so i can get his. we better not get banned...



          I think valve should explain how they detect the cd key changers.
          I agree with me too, oh, and you :)



          Explaining how the cd-key are actually scanned would be useful in those sorts of situations, but could also open up a few doors for cheaters... But, if all else fails, there are a few options:



          1) Buy a new copy of HL ($15 US at some Best Buys, or possibly cheaper on e-bay)



          2) Sockscap or another 'anonymous' web surfing tool. The advantage to Sockscap is you get to choose what programs you want to use a Proxy / Socks4/5 server with. Of course I think it costs money now, but hell, if you're willing to be a warez monkey to share cd-keys, just go download it from your favorite P2P file sharing agent.

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          • cHic0!

            #35
            Lethal wrote..

            2) Sockscap or another 'anonymous' web surfing tool. The advantage to Sockscap is you get to choose what programs you want to use a Proxy / Socks4/5 server with. Of course I think it costs money now, but hell, if you're willing to be a warez monkey to share cd-keys, just go download it from your favorite P2P file sharing agent.
            coolness... *opens up kazaa*

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            • Obsidan

              #36
              SO how does the CD-Key detection work?



              I have the OGC cd key changer on my HDD, will valve detect it and ban me?

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              • wtaag

                #37
                You guys are some lazy sob's if you cant use regedit.

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                • Lethal

                  #38
                  Obsidan wrote..

                  SO how does the CD-Key detection work?



                  I have the OGC cd key changer on my HDD, will valve detect it and ban me?
                  Thats what others are asking right now, but if people know how to get around valves anti-cheat stuff, thennn that kind of defeats the purpose.

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                  • lockhart

                    #39
                    Edited by [user="25310"] @ [time="1029994873"]

                    V1P3R wrote..

                    Valve jsut needs to crack down hardcore like battle.net did. No cheats possible.
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                    /me apologizes

                    You are working with 3 year old information, boy.

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                    • Lethal

                      #40
                      lockhart wrote..

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                      /me apologizes

                      You are working with 3 year old information, boy.
                      Closer to 3 months.



                      Diablo II;



                      Map Hacking

                      Chest Hacking

                      Packet Editing resulting in.. Duping, and the lamely-named "Matrix Method" which allowed chacater corruption, buying any item in the game for any price, item theft, game crashing, and much more.



                      -



                      Cheating is still possible, just ignorant to do, unless you want your account flagged, and your cd-key banned.

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                      • lockhart

                        #41
                        diablo 2 came out about 3 years ago... and i was laughing at the "no cheats possible"... maphack was out like 3 months into the game's release

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                        • Lethal

                          #42
                          I was simply clarifying that the other hacks were more recent.



                          Chest hacking being the latest, which caused Blizzard to crack down so hard.

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                          • cHic0!

                            #43
                            chest hacking is pretty old now, lethal... blizzard stopped that a few months ago. the current cheats out now are maphack and the d2hackit modules.



                            which, of course, are used by 80% of people playing diablo. including me.

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                            • [SWE]Twiggy

                              #44
                              are we talking about diablo2 or counter strike?

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                              • [pixies] debaser

                                #45
                                as far as i am concerned



                                there is no need to change your HL or CS retail cd key for any reason



                                unless you cheat



                                so don't give excuses for changing cd keys

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