New VAC Tech

[GonePostal]

SinaC wrote..

Yea, but does it show wallspark's and stuff? And gun droppings? Sound works just as well, googoggo sound!

I'm pretty sure the only thing that is blocked out is the players. Sound only goes so far you know.

[narby]

mouth wrote..

I, for one, don't really give a shit which direction Valve goes with VAC as long as the false-positives are kept to an absolute ZERO. Seems to me that preventing the cheats from working at all is the best way to avoid big trouble instead of "dicking with cheaters". With the amount of "OMFGWTFchetar!" that goes on still, getting a nice big "OMGWTFchetar!" from the server itself (spammed to everyone there, no less) due to some semi-obscure VAC fuckup is the last thing anyone needs. Legitimate players are not eggs and this is not a breakfast item.



Which product would that be? HL? OpFor? CS Retail? Blue Shift? HL GOTY? HL Platinum? Or is it some other blatant repackaging that i'm forgetting? Don't even pretend that the first release of HL is the only thing they've made money from. VAC is very welcome as far as i'm concerned, but i don't think i'll be massaging their collective prostate with my tongue for it.



Valve going out-of-pocket to vigilantly update a long dead game = Reason for being thankful.



Valve finally doing something about cheating to protect their lifeline in light of the fact that they have NOTHING else to show for = Not.



A) Good.

b) So?

Why would Valve be supporting blueshift and op4?



I do agree about the direction of VAC, prevention is better than cure etc.

[die_scum]

um....wtaag...which wallhack block is this?



an HLGuard wallhack block?



if so, its not very useful at all as it opengl hack 2.5 works perfectly on all servers ive encountered using all different types of anti cheat.

also, a cure is better than prevention in this case.



also its easier to attack than defend.



thats why VAC will fail in the end.

[wtaag]

You are on crack. No wallhack can draw data on models it doesnt recieve. Please go away before you make yourself look like a bigger idiot.

[The Who?]

Eagle25 wrote..

there is not much they can do, there are too much fools out there that dont realise that valve has no obligation to do this.

look over that sentence. 'There are too much fools.' How ironic. Anyway, I can't even begin to explain how angry people make me who say shit like 'Valve Sux0rz!!11' and what not. People are such FUCKING morons.

[Unregistered]

guess what... if you say the wall hack your using works....

OBVIOUSLY the server doesint have wallhack block on or it hasint kicked in yet...sheesh

[zimzap]

So what if they work on aim hacks? You know how easy it is to spot someone with aimhacks and ban them? The good people with wallhacks are the ones who can own a server.

[die_scum]

on hlguard servers. the opengl 2.5 works.



just fuck up, if u aint tried, how do u know?



lol

[wtaag]

die_scum wrote..

on hlguard servers. the opengl 2.5 works.



just fuck up, if u aint tried, how do u know?



lol

Learn some grammer. How do I know... I work on HLGuard. kthx.

[zimzap]

Personaly I would like them to stop working on VAC and start working on CZ so it comes out before Counter Terrorist Missions are done with robots and people throw ducks at targets and nothings as it seems...

[=FaW= Boba Fett]

wtaag wrote..

Learn some grammer. How do I know... I work on HLGuard. kthx.

Die_scum would know that too if he actually hung out at the UA Forums. But I guess since he's too stupid to know about the forums and how HLGUARD WH block works server-side....oh well. :)

garrynewman wrote..

the idea isnt to invent something that will make cheats impossible, the idea is to block existing working mass cheats. This, judging from the crys of newbies on myg0t and ogc forums, is working.

You must have a lot of willpower to read the OGC and other cheat forums. Out of all the forums I have visited and posted on over the years, the cheat forums have the worst grammar and spelling and are usually full of crybabies (literally 10 yr old crybabies) LOL.



To me it's scary to read Kindergarden I mean cheat forums *grin*.

[narby]

zimzap wrote..

So what if they work on aim hacks? You know how easy it is to spot someone with aimhacks and ban them? The good people with wallhacks are the ones who can own a server.

That would be true if every server had many active admins all concentrating on watching every player to check for aimbots. (not forgetting human error)



Sadly it doesnt work like that in practice.

[Re-call]

die_scum wrote..

this new anti-cheat is a limiting measure that will be broken like all of valves previous measures.



ogc 10 is out soon with new features and totally rewritten code that will be a lot harder to and that will take longer to break.



if u block wallhacks. the coders will focus more on more ingenius aimbots or ways to counteract the measures implemented by valve anti-wallhacking.



basically valve has used its power to make other forms of anti-cheat like HLGuard useless. Now they copy old ideas used by others.



also, do u really trust valve. the people who said cheats would be a thing of the past in version 1, then it was in 1.1, then 1.2.....the people who said aimbots were fixed in version 1.0. dont be so forgetful and ignorant



the people who u think are great because they managed to bring out one VAC update within a day of one hack coming out. where is the latest update? opengl hack 2.5 has worked for how long now? a week?



proclaiming any victory (again) is a stupid exercise. your only trying to hide the truth and make yourselves feel better



cmon kiddies. use your brains. the fact of the matter is valve is trying to protect 5 yr old code that is flawed and has been picked to pieces by hundreds of coders for almost as long.



Valve knows, and u should also realise by now, that any VAC update can and will be bypassed. just like all the previous updates and anti cheat tools.

Bypassing the wall-hack block? You are obviously not understanding what you speak of, you cannot read packets that havent been sent, good luck making random guesses of where someone is, thats the best a wallhack can do once this is polished.



(yes i know about soundhacks, i said wallhacks)

[xep]

die_scum brings comedy to the ever-so-serious debates about anti-cheats with his idiotic comments.



Thnx for using that lower intelligence of yours to humor me.

[mouth]

narby wrote..

Why would Valve be supporting blueshift and op4?

I don't know. Why would they be selling them? More "kindness"?