New VAC Tech

[SinaC]

GonePostal wrote..

It seems that you are still able to see dead bodies. This can give people a clue that someone is camping there. This goes for everything like bullet sparks, grenades, and hostages.

How would it give them a clue?



Last time I checked valve implemented there lovely bodys-stay-for-fucking-ever-and-then-sink-down-bec
ause-we-couldnt-just-keep-it-the-old-way.



Grenades, bullet sparks, and hostages aren't dead bodys.

[GonePostal]

Edited by [user="2345"] @ [time="1028095681"]

SinaC wrote..

How would it give them a clue?



Last time I checked valve implemented there lovely bodys-stay-for-fucking-ever-and-then-sink-down-bec




ause-we-couldnt-just-keep-it-the-old-way.



Grenades, bullet sparks, and hostages aren't dead bodys.

They are all clues that give away your position if the wallhacker can see them. Well, if there are 3 people left on a map, and you kill the wallhacker's teammate, if he can see bulletsparks in a room, then he knows you're there. He could see a grenade thrown and explode from you, he could see your position because the hostages are following you, he could see you drop your gun. Get it?

[Gpig]

Sinac, the bodies only sink if you set your body lasting time low.

[stooopid]

...the best was the toggle aimbot thru walls. That was the veritable Thor's hammer of OGC. Unstoppable.



oh well... good thing i still have skills.

$pazmatazz wrote..

Unfortunately, OGC 10 is just around the corner.

honestly, i don't think OGC 10 will last long. But System is good and he's likely anticipating VAC's initial approaches.

[dRage]

Ryder wrote..

Valve is completely useless

Your not rebellious, stop trying.

[solace]

I realised sumting about HLG when you suddenly pop around corners you dont see the enemy for about 1/2 a second later its really annoying you guys get that too?

yes, that used to happen to me too. Player models used to not show up, then do this kind of warp stretch thing then show up when they were fully out. I haven't noticed it doing it for a while. I think they must have fixed it.

[-:Nighthawk:-]

I'm personally glad to see Valve working on some "disabling" type technologies. I don't know if they've been in contact with UA at all, or if they're just developing their anti-wallhack from scratch, but hopefully the two will merge together eventually into one, complete anti-wallhack which will be bug free (yeah, so it may take a while, heh), and completely functional. Once implemented, though, Valve shouldn't have to update the VAC nearly so often.



As far as OGC goes, well, yes it has some great tallent (minus the ethics part) behind it, and I expect some form of hacking to continue for quite a while to come. However, the potency of each successive hack is lower and lower. Combined with the banning of players caught hacking (when this is finally implemented), it's not spelling a good future for the cheating community.



Sure, there'll probably always be some sort of hack that works, but with time, I don't think they'll be big enough to even really matter, in the grand scheme of things.

[garry]

oh good.. more people popping into view infront of you just from nowhere..



and people just dissapearing then re-appearing

[tas|-Omega]

king_reza wrote..

I realised sumting about HLG when you suddenly pop around corners you dont see the enemy for about 1/2 a second later its really annoying you guys get that too?

I only got that when it just came out and I was on 56k. After a few updates and the fact that I now have cable, I do not see it anymore.

[garry]

Edited by [user="26703"] @ [time="1028104944"]

oh also.. do the players still make sound with this fix?



if they do then doesnt the ogc have a sound highlighter too?



you're damned if you do and you're damned if you dont..



I also belive that instead of making the cheats not work.. it should detect the cheats, alert all of the players on the server (apart from the cheater) then give the cheater a immense disadvantage.. like only every 5th bullet is effective.. or their accuracy flies out of the wall.. of their damage is multiplies by 10 (to themself) and when theyre shooting other people their damage inflicted is multiplied by 0.1..



or even just ruin their connection so they lag to death.



this would be a lot more effective than kicking them from this server with a message "THIS HACK DOESNT WORK, WAIT UNTIL THE AUTHOR UPDATES"



obviously this wouldnt work if they knew what was happening

[-:Nighthawk:-]

Edited by [user="26841"] @ [time="1028106616"]

I'm sure there's a certain part of all of us that would love to see hackers get dicked with on servers, be seemingly unable to kill no matter how hard they tried. And for that matter, reverse wall hack only them to everyone else (let everyone else see the hacker through the walls), lock people's crosshairs on them and auto-fire, whatever the mirror of the hack they're using is, just to give them a taste of their own medicine while not allowing them to use it themselves.



But... even more I want to see hackers banned forever. As such, it's not worth the coding time on Valve's end of things to make servers dick with hackers, but rather, just get the detection and banning working well. Until that time, I'll be grateful for the ounce of prevention they're applying.

[garry]

in my honest opinion i think the banning system will somehow be seriously flawed.. like when windowsxp came out but MS decided to make a corp key that completely defied the point of having an online auth system..



i just worry about things (which valve has no doubt forseen)



like starting a hacked server or something and sendin your 'friends' wonid to valve.. theyre banned forever..



or if it just detects a file called ogl.txt or something and bans you forever..



so you have to have some kind of forgive system.. which defeats the purpose of the ban system



ot sounds great on paper.. but only if it works

[kick@ss]

Hopefull less servers will run HL Guarbage when the improved VAC comes out.

garrynewman wrote..

in my honest opinion i think the banning system will somehow be seriously flawed.. like when windowsxp came out but MS decided to make a corp key that completely defied the point of having an online auth system..



i just worry about things (which valve has no doubt forseen)



like starting a hacked server or something and sendin your 'friends' wonid to valve.. theyre banned forever..



or if it just detects a file called ogl.txt or something and bans you forever..



so you have to have some kind of forgive system.. which defeats the purpose of the ban system



ot sounds great on paper.. but only if it works

Banning anyone that had files on their computer pertaining to OGL would be a great service to the community. That would eliminate a lot of the annoying kiddies.

[leggeh]

OMG! people complain theres no anti cheat, valve add one, ppl complain its not updated enuf, valve start updating it more. People complain it doesnt block the opengl wallhack, valve block it. People complain it doesnt have a hlguard style wallhack blocker, valve add it. Now people are STILL complaining. Out of all interest what do valve have to do to get you to shut up? wake you up with breakfast in bed?



sheesh.

[FatboyTim]

gj (yet again) Valve. =)