CS1.5 non-changes

[GonePostal]

rizzuh wrote..

Without flaming, what a concept.



You're such a hypocrite, GonePostal. All you do is flame me for my opinions and you 'ask' other people for their opinions.



By the way, this change was done not only to eliminate bunnyhopping (read: repeating jumping), but to eliminate all jumping as a viable option entirely (unless you're clear, have cover, have a good team, etc). The one good point against this would be the maps not being updated.



The rest are worthless, now. It's been over a month. With CS 1.5, it'll be until September or so. That's 5 months. Five months from now any sort of reversion would bring up flames and discussions much like this one.



Now I'm all for organized and logical debate, but you've been saying the same thing now for 40 days. Here, the CS.net forums, and wherever else you express yourself. You are wasting your time, in all honesty. Valve isn't going to reverse itself and even if it were to, that's 3 months from now. At least.

I only flame people if they flame me in the 1st place. Maybe you should read what I'm responding to and you'll see that. You on the other hand you have repeatedly shown me your intention to undermine me by attacking me. Why don't you attack my ideas? That's right, you keep avoid them and saying it's pointless, or worthless, or doesn't matter.



I'm aware what it was set out to do, eliminate repeated jumping. Technically, does it achieve this goal? You are still able to jump repeatedly in the same spot. When you jump once, you are penalized, not if you jump repeatedly you are penalized. So technically it does not meet it's original goal.



I'm wasting my time, but am I wrong?

[Elg4to]

wow, this is just a big dis-fest.



p.s- i just filled out a form for that us army game, just for the hell of it lol, and i cant resist free sh!t

[GonePostal]

-:Nighthawk:- wrote..



GonePostal wrote...

This is the very 1st time I have ever heard this stuff from you. So don't act like I can read you mind dip shit, because I can't, and neither can anyone else but you. This just proves the problem, people are too concerned with ass kissing that they don't communicate what could make CS better.



First. Interesting how you ask others not to flame and yet flame me at the same time. That is unless calling me the wealth of interesting adjectives such as you used above no longer qulifies as flaming.



Second. Perhaps you don't realize this, but if you want to get in contact with the CS team, the comments section under various headlines at CS-Nation isn't the place you go putting your ideas. I was simply showing you what I (and others) have submitted to people who actually do have something to do with the development of CS. Last time I checked, "GonePostal" wasn't on the dev team. If this changes, let me know, and I'd be happy to send you my comments. Otherwise, I have no reason whatsoever to go around shouting my opinions to you, when you knowing them has absolutely no impact on the game.



You said the CS Team and Valve needed constructive feedback. I in response illustrated some of the feedback they have gotten. Don't be so utterly surprised that you were not "in the know" on some of these issues. There's a lot of other places where people communicate about Counter-Strike, in case you haven't noticed.



I try to be as polite as I can make myself be, but really... some people just push things a lot. If you are going to beat others with the no flaming! stick, make sure you're not doing it yourself, eh? And for crying out loud, GonePostal, get off rizzuh's back already. He's entitled to his own opinion without people like you coming and acting like jerks toward him on his own site. He's shown you much more patience in not banning you than I ever would if I owned this site. How does it go... "don't bite the hand that feeds you."

Again, you flame me, I flame you. You don't flame me, I don't flame you. It's up to you if you want to have this conversation.



You keep avoiding me just like rizzuh. Just respond to my ideas. Prove me wrong. Otherwise, you're saying you cannot defend these changes.



I already knew of these opinions from other people. I was talking about you. Not what I had heard from anyone else. Your opinion may be different than that I've heard from other people. Get it?



Ok, because rizzuh own this site and can ban me I should kiss his ass as much as possible. Yep, that's what I should be doing like the rest of you are.

[BIG POPPA]

GonePostal wrote..



-:Nighthawk:- wrote..



GonePostal wrote...

This is the very 1st time I have ever heard this stuff from you. So don't act like I can read you mind dip shit, because I can't, and neither can anyone else but you. This just proves the problem, people are too concerned with ass kissing that they don't communicate what could make CS better.



First. Interesting how you ask others not to flame and yet flame me at the same time. That is unless calling me the wealth of interesting adjectives such as you used above no longer qulifies as flaming.



Second. Perhaps you don't realize this, but if you want to get in contact with the CS team, the comments section under various headlines at CS-Nation isn't the place you go putting your ideas. I was simply showing you what I (and others) have submitted to people who actually do have something to do with the development of CS. Last time I checked, "GonePostal" wasn't on the dev team. If this changes, let me know, and I'd be happy to send you my comments. Otherwise, I have no reason whatsoever to go around shouting my opinions to you, when you knowing them has absolutely no impact on the game.



You said the CS Team and Valve needed constructive feedback. I in response illustrated some of the feedback they have gotten. Don't be so utterly surprised that you were not "in the know" on some of these issues. There's a lot of other places where people communicate about Counter-Strike, in case you haven't noticed.



I try to be as polite as I can make myself be, but really... some people just push things a lot. If you are going to beat others with the no flaming! stick, make sure you're not doing it yourself, eh? And for crying out loud, GonePostal, get off rizzuh's back already. He's entitled to his own opinion without people like you coming and acting like jerks toward him on his own site. He's shown you much more patience in not banning you than I ever would if I owned this site. How does it go... "don't bite the hand that feeds you."



Again, you flame me, I flame you. You don't flame me, I don't flame you. It's up to you if you want to have this conversation.



You keep avoiding me just like rizzuh. Just respond to my ideas. Prove me wrong. Otherwise, you're saying you cannot defend these changes.



I already knew of these opinions from other people. I was talking about you. Not what I had heard from anyone else. Your opinion may be different than that I've heard from other people. Get it?



Ok, because rizzuh own this site and can ban me I should kiss his ass as much as possible. Yep, that's what I should be doing like the rest of you are.

hold on. let me get my chap-stick out......................

[Bort]

Postal: just come with me, we'll play SoF2 and leave the ladies here to play their little game of campy mccampers.... SoF2 has some slamming maps.... that shop map has like 60 ways around.. tons of ways to flank, but everything is designed with gameplay in mind... if you play it for awhile you begin to notice that its REALLY complex.. and somehow ballanced... I've never seen a CS map that worked so well that had more than 2 or 3 methods of approach.



I've given up on VALVe now, I started losing faith with them when they announced awhile ago they were trying to make TF2 easier for people who haven't played before... (appealing to newbies)... I just don't see the point in playing a game where they intentionally target out what people use to gain an edge over the other players, and then eliminate with.. not with an exacto knife of justice... but with a bucket loader of .. uhh... badness? It doesnt seem VALVe puts much thought into what changing the game will actually do, as long as it will 'acheive their goals' they are happy... There were a million other ways to stop bunny hopping.. or at least discourage it.. instead, they choose the one thats the MOST restricting on gameplay.... I have no idea WHY they changed the walking speed... maybe it was an exploit? well, an exploit for everyone else...... I use an analog joystick for moving, I didnt even know I was walking faster than 'most' people.... I was just moving slow enough where I didnt make a sound.... Now its pointless.... it takes so long to get anywhere, that by the time you do get there.. you've got people walking behind you, walking behind them.. and so forth.... CS sucks, play SoF2!!!!!



Ya, another mini-essay.. I know.

[BIG POPPA]

Then S.O.F.3 Comes out, And It'll Be Different, When Will It End? LOL

[Bort]

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We'll bitch at SoF 3 when it comes out, one evil at a time.



Oh, and maybe some of us could 'adjust' if we saw WHY we should have to, I've not actually heard one good counter-argument as to how it improves gameplay... only that "it stops bunny hoppers.. so thats good" yeah, there were hundreds of other ways to do that.... they didn't do any of the intelligent things.... I haven't heard one person say they like the new walking.... VALVe said they would change things back if people didnt like them.... well, they didn't.... I guess they just lied through their teeth.... (sentence structure is NOT important, life important (err, getting your point across is)

[BoNeLeSS]

Snowblind wrote..

picture this: 10% of the CS community left after 1.4 was launched (FACT) and 10% = 1.5milion gamers.

Any ideas on what game(s) are playing those 1.5 million peeps now?

[Bort]

Probably SoF2, its everything CS is no longer. (am I getting annoying yet?)



Though a lot of people could be playing MMORPG games.. which seem to be all the rage lately (but I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay a monthly fee for a game I had to pay $50 for )

[Elg4to]

they'll come back... ive quit cs 2 or 3 times over 3 years, i always come back...

[Bort]

I've not.... I've stopped playing CS..... no reason to play it when a viable (and better) alternative exists....

[BIG POPPA]

Oh, Youre Back On That Sof 2 Thing Again...................

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maybe ill by a copy of that...... hmmmm..........

[BoNeLeSS]

Bort wrote..

I've not.... I've stopped playing CS..... no reason to play it when a viable (and better) alternative exists....

Heh... U play no more CS but still visit CSN

[zeusDgod]

Z3U5's personal log: Is this "Bort" an undercover agent working for SoF2 to defame CS and poop on our parade. I believe so, however, I have no proof apart from the non-stop comment posting. Hmmm, what to do. I could buy SoF2 and pose as a loyal fan in a forum he usually visits and catch himin the act of accepting FAT paychecks...That seems like too much trouble to go to for this hooligan. Eurika, I know what I'll do. I'll accusse him of dark deeds...

End personal log:

Bort wrote:

I've not.... I've stopped playing CS..... no reason to play it when a viable (and better) alternative exists....

Interesting point of view Bort. I have one thing to say to that.

HE's A witch!!!! Yes he is, he turned me into a newt...well, I'm better now. BUt, he looks like a witch! Sure I put the hat on him, but he's still one. I know, we'll throw him in the lake___no, no, no. Weigh him! Yes, weigh him...



Um, question for Bort: Do you by any chance weigh as much as a duck?

[narby]

Snowblind wrote..

IN CS 1.4 i drastically changed my way of playing ... before i was a deagle jumping HS-striking badass ... now i just use knive-awp change for faster firerate and i shoot them all down while doing the soo complicated "i sit on my fatass and wait in the corners".



picture this: 10% of the CS community left after 1.4 was launched (FACT) and 10% = 1.5milion gamers.

A lot of maps are unplayable:



example: Italy as being a AK rusher whore those Cts stand no chance of surviving a team rush. Guess what? now they gonna change Italy map ... pretty stupid if you ask me ... IT WAS one of the most enjoyable maps at earlier beta's where speed and jumping was important at some choke points

10% that won't be missed. Thats 1 million less people to listen to bitching about how their game was ruined.

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Also where exactly are these statistics from