CS1.5 non-changes

[AceR]

jumping owns.

[solace]

man, the physics in hl are so crappy



jump on a moving object to see what I mean



also, I don't know if you live in a land where the rules of physics have been magically suspended, but you do not, and cannot come to a full stop from a jump. It's stupid, it's not fun and it ultimately detracts from the game



oh, as for pistol accuracies.. the reason why clans hate jumping pistol accuracies is because winning a save round is next to impossible now

[GonePostal]

Funny those numbers haven't changed much on the poll since the 1st poll like rizzuh predicted. Maybe people aren't just going to adapt.

[Jsunu]

When you jump the force of which you fall slows you down



thus



ms=d/h/gravity relative to the force of which the impact happens x=8+23 6th power

[solace]

oh yes, and finally, the reason why so many people like jumping accuracy being so high is because you could get shot a bit, then jump, the the hitboxes would get all fucked up and you could spin around and kill them.



Frankly I like having mildly reduced air accuracy.. however.. I really wish they'd restore pistol air accuracy a bit. I find that in 1.4 it's easier for the winning team to keep winning, and it's hard to break out of a losing streak, pistol accuracies contributing significantly to this imbalance.

[rizzuh]

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zimzap wrote..

"An object in motion tends to stay in motion. An object ar res ttends to stay at rest..." When you jump, regardless of the stuff your carrying, the motion will keep you going near full speed. Now if you jump like 5-10 times your gonna slow down but not after one or two. I guess I didn't notice the players jumping hurdles when they play, maybe CAUSE THEY DONT. They marely get 2 feet off the ground most of the time.

You have no idea what you're talking about.



"Tends" is incorrect. An object in motion, on this planet, invariably NEVER stays in motion. Gravity makes friction, friction resists movement. Learn what Newton's laws deal with before you quote them.



Energy and momentum are conserved when you jump and land. On the landing, it is impossible for you to have the momentum that you had when you started the jump, you, without a doubt, always lose momentum because some of it goes into the ground. Your movement is converted into [gravitational] potential energy while you're in the air. On the way down/the landing, that potential energy is spent on compression, thermal exchange, and even wind resistance.



In other words: You have no where near your original velocity when you land compared to when you jumped.



That is the physics side. Imagine landing from a four foot drop with 20+ pounds of equipment. Your body would need time to recover from the strain and balance itself.

solace wrote..

but you do not, and cannot come to a full stop from a jump.

You are incorrect. It depends on the jump (the momentum before the jump), but earth has such a large mass that it can and does stop objects even with a momentum parallel to itself. It also has gravity which causes a strong pull downward, which also slows down movement. This, in turn, causes kinetic energy (movement) to point somewhere between the ground and the air in front of you, not parallel to the ground.



Great suggestion, however. "Hey valve! This is unrealistic, make the engine walk a foot for me because otherwise it's not a real landing."

GonePostal wrote..

Funny those numbers haven't changed much on the poll since the 1st poll like rizzuh predicted. Maybe people aren't just going to adapt.

I never made a prediction like that.



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Let me be the first to say that this physics rationale or lack of it is no reason to keep or remove CS 1.4's jumping. The reason to keep it like CS 1.4, in my opinion. is because CS is no longer such a hop fest, where duck-jumping with a USP is more viable than walking with an MP5. I just think it's stupid that a few people dislike CS 1.4 and they got their PhD's in physics, or at least claim to.

[JewToTheRescue]

GonePostal's goal seems to be proving people wrong.

[.nap]

rizflu u funei nerd #.

[ATLAS DEATH]

Honduh wrote..

you call jumping then being slowed down drasticly realistic??

if they dont change jumping or walking they should atleast change the headshot boxes back to the way they were before.

Actually I DO call it realistic.. Having all the armor, and firearms and explosives, and what ever a soldier would have.. have you ever carried a sand bag and ran with it and jumped.. when you land, the force of the extra weight drives you into the ground harder.. slowing you down.. so there it is.

[Unregistered]

But to the degree that the game slows you down is a bit over done dont you think. When i say they need to return the hit boxes back to the way they were before. I meant how easy it is to get a headshot these days.

[Brutus]

Ahhhh CS debates. The only debates that can go from



"yeah, damn f'ing strait punisher, more people liked it the way it was before, and i hate this shit, becuase it gives n00bs more of an advantage, and now i cant frikkin go pump shotty, or scout, or DEAGLE!!!!!!!"



to "Energy and momentum are conserved when you jump and land. On the landing, it is impossible for you to have the momentum that you had when you started the jump, you, without a doubt, always lose momentum because some of it goes into the ground. Your movement is converted into [gravitational] potential energy while you're in the air. On the way down/the landing, that potential energy is spent on compression, thermal exchange, and even wind resistance."



in under 20 posts.

[hit?]

zimzap wrote..



"An object in motion tends to stay in motion. An object ar res ttends to stay at rest..." When you jump, regardless of the stuff your carrying, the motion will keep you going near full speed.

doesnt dis line follow dat line... UNLESS INTERRUPTED BY AN OUTSIDE FORCE like fatigue, weight, friction, velocity and such. Try to refelct on that, and u'll know my point.



Atleast u got the DEAGLE FOR NOOBS THEORY correct.

[rizzuh]

Quite the yin-yang there, eh Brutus? (pun alert le~!ol~!eo~!le)



Are you in CoFR, or that anouther Brutus?

[tritus]

I seriously love morons. zimzap, I love you. Seriously.

[shortcake]

Oh who cares about jumping and running, they should add female models! Just had to slip that in there.