CS 1.4 Poll

[Mr. Lugosi]

b.? wrote..

Why worry about jumping, when cheating runs rampant?

Erik Johnson from valve said today that cheating will be "addressed in a few days"



Relax.

[rizzuh]

Lugosi is talking about an older cheat that works with CS 1.4. HL now has anti-cheat protection, but it remains to be truly tested.



Cheating is being addressed, as is gameplay even if those changes ruin your style of play.

[b.?]

So why have counter-strike.netforums? Why have CS Team emails? Hell, why beta test, let the bugs get worked out on their own? If it comes down to the fact that the game is made just for the cs team and not based on what the gamers think than that is a total alienation of the gaming community. While, it may seem like we are rehashing the same comments, that is because at least for me I am passionate about a game I enjoy, as are others like Rizzuh I assume, and I will stay that way. That is why it may seem like we are going over the same topic, over and over again. Hoping for and trying for a change even if it does not happen, I do not see any benefits to stop trying. I will adapt to the best it allows, and I will not quit playing but I wll try to get a point a cross. Obviously, I would feel my view is right I would not be spending any time in this forum if I felt what I was saying was wrong. There would be no point to me saying well other people feel this way, and I am going to defend it, but I think it is a wrong opinion. Their has to be same kind of middle ground, either allow server operators to choose. Or make it for the most part where you do not have to feel like you can't even move after you jump. And this is to a post a while ago, who said the game is based on realism because of the guns and the environment. Does that mean we would need to make one shot deaths, cause I do not know about you but an awp bullet that can go through a tank in real life going through my leg, I believe that would pretty much end my round, even a glock shot to the arm would put me out for good.

[ThePoint]

If you don't think that valve or the cs team has a basic idea of the average traffic of cs players or server you would be mistaken. For one were running a game that is cd key based, so from the get go there is a basic way to track individual players, or at least logged games. Even if there was a key that was not legit it would still go through won. As long as there is central server for authenticating, there can be derived a basic concept of traffic for players and servers of the game. I never said that the change cant be said, but i said by playing a game you "hate" the same amount of time you did when you enjoyed it your not making a point. Its like going out and getting something to eat, saying you hate it then getting another order. What would they care, you might not love it but it still pulls you in. Your still giving them what they want. I am not saying to not complain but direct it in a fashion that is constructive. Saying "CS is da sweaty ballz" in a public forum wouldn't get anyone anywhere. Its misdirected and doesn't address the problem.



Its in valves intrest and the cs team to fold to the mass on occasion if its going to hurt their property in some way. Even if they didnt care about cs sales with CS:CZ coming they wont want to put a bad tast in a communitys mouth. CZ might be a diffrent game but noone will care as long as it has that label.



This also to me, has nothing to do with Rizzuh. I am not tryin to disrespect anyone with this. If you like whats been done it doesn't make you stupid or a newb, it just means that you have a different idea for the game then someone else. Everyone isn't going to agree on every change. Hell people whined about HLTV when it didn't even EFFECT the game. My point is though if you DONT like somthing though you should properly channel your dislike and point it tpwards something constructive. When enough people disliked changes in cs over time there response was to make a method to allow older versions of cs to run with new ones. Ive played mods were the community reverts back to older versions untill new updates arrive that have the changes to their liking. However random complaints into the void of annonymous players out their accomplish nothing.

[[LFS]^Morpheus]

I still think it would have been in the best interest to add some cvars to control all this...



sv_footstepspeed : 0.3 < x < 0.8 : adjust speed under which footsteps are not heard (as ratio to run speed)

sv_walkspeed : 0.3 < x < 0.8 : adjust speed of walking

sv_jumpslow: 0.3 < x < 1 : adjusts how much slower you get after you jump (as ratio to original speed when left ground)



or just:



sv_stamina : x == 0 || x == 1 : turn on/off stamina jump!



No idea what the default values for these would be, and you could restrict them further if valve wanted to, but, shouldve had cvars!!!

[b.?]

No, the goal here in this forum is not to accomplish things per say. But to spawn debate and see what ways there are to handle the situation. I believe the best way would be to do the petitions and emails and things of that nature. But also I want to represent the part of the gaming community that wants the game back to the way it has been played at least since Version 1.0. I never have felt the need to discuss problems with updates this long, because problems in updates have always seemed minimal. For example, I like the fact they took out bunny hopping to where you can not go faster in 1.2. But to totally phase out jumping from the game, does that seem like a feasible solution? Really what is the purpose of jumping anymore? Not to climb boxes, not to avoid snipers, not to plant in funny areas of the map, not to avoid gunfire. I'll keep on responding to the parts I do not agree with despite how fruitless some may view it.

[archon777]

Rizzuh is right, this is a step in the right direction for unskilled players who refuse to admit that they will never be able to defeat players who have better reflexes than they do.



But, now that they can't blame their poor performance on cheating, jumping, or sneaking, I wonder what they will target next? I suppose they will say that there are too many corners in CS. They'll whine to the CS developers until all the maps are just a 3-foot-wide hallway with the enemy team at the other end. You just run in a straight line and shoot. No turning skills, no jumping skills, no walking skills, no aiming skills, no skills required at all. Just hold down the forward key and the fire key. Won't that be fair? Sure it will be.



Nick



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[solace]

I used silent running too, but I'm pleased that it's gone.

generally you need to use stealth when treading across the dangerous parts of the map. By forcing us to walk incredibly slowly, the risk of being caught in the middle of crossing such a dangerous section of the map is GREATLY increased. More than likely, if you're trying to walk, you're going to die.



By the way, I never used +move anything. I used to walk the good ol' fashioned way of tapping forward or jumping and controlling my speed.

[GriffinMouse]

I _totally_ agree on removing the speed walk.

It was just another one of those stupid "1337 HaX0r" tricks

that made normal walking totally useless. BUT speaking of walking, I was horrified by the new slower walking speed.

YEAH RIGHT!!

Just like walking wasn`t already overlooked enough!

Now the walking is almost useles and PAINfully slow!

And I know! I used to walk almost everywhere!!



But the jumping wasn`t half as bad as I expected.

(I think the beta-testers really exaggerated..)



But U know, we Finns have a beer add wich uses a slogan,

"don`t take it so seriously"



Think aboud it.. :P

[Andeh]

GriffinMouse wrote..

But the jumping wasn`t half as bad as I expected.

(I think the beta-testers really exaggerated..)

I agree. The jumping thing wasn't half as bad as I expected. By the way people were talking about it (I never bothered playing the 1.4 beta. Saved the suprises for the release :)) it sounded like it was really gonna effect the way you played. It doesn't! and the people who complain about it really need to look into getting a life and stop moaning about petty little things that don't affect the game one bit. As for the speed walking, that is such a minor exploit that i never even noticed it exisisted. I am perfectly happy with the changes in 1.4. infact I can play just as good if not better than befor!

[Shifty_Eyes]

Note: REPEATED jumping, 1.4 slows even one jump.

[Andeh]

Shifty_Eyes wrote..

Note: REPEATED jumping, 1.4 slows even one jump.

Did you really need to say that? I think we already knew that befor o_O

[D4n]

guys why are we giving feedback its not like they are gonna change the way they present the game just cos a few of us are bothered i think that the valve bigwigs are thinking ahead of the 1.5/cz release so that ppl are gonna go out and but czill bet big money by the time cz is out its all back to normal



Oh and btw 1.4 has good and bad points



good



spectator modes and so on



bad

awp fastswitch gone,not allowed to shoot while defusing i thought that was a great way for skilled players, walking is fucking horrible takes you weeks to get anywhere, the pistol accuracy is disgusteing the fukers who messed with it should be slaped round the head with a shopping trolly god i used to love those jumping headshots, and finally the jumping although over the past couple of days i have gotten used to the jumping i think that with the new jumping implemented it has made many cs_ maps worthless ie italy you cant jump anywhere and get awped where the long tunnel is in italy,assult how hard is that gonna be its already a t rapage but now how the fuk are you gona get in neakily with the walk and jumping speed, seige i played this for 2 rnds yesterday and both rnds a t bought an awp 2 cts every rnd got owned



thats just my rants i feel that 1.4 may bring in many n00bies from the other mods like dod and stuff but overall you are gonna lose an awful lot of skilled players like myself because i am currently thinking about quiting this pos



oh and whats the point in the vote like anyone from valve is going to look at and and think oh damn 59% dont like it thats it im gonna change it back............never going to happen R.I.P. cs

[Andeh]

D4n wrote..

oh and whats the point in the vote like anyone from valve is going to look at and and think oh damn 59% dont like it thats it im gonna change it back............never going to happen R.I.P. cs

I dont think its there to get Valve's attention. I think its just there to see what people think about 1.4

[b.?]

All I want to know now is what is the purpose of jumping? Do not say to climb boxes cause it takes to long to make that worthwhile, so there has to be another reason to have it.



Also do not call players who used to jump a lot unskilled. That is no different than calling people n00bies are fags instead of addressing the issue of the jumping and the speed walking, you instead turn to attacking the players who are voicing their opinion on the issue. And do not try to justify your remarks as being a response to the immaturity that runs rampant when the debate is over a video game, by saying that the other people started whining and talking trash first.

-Off to college now to take last two exams. Ill be back to find out why I cant remove my space bar when I play CS.