VAC Update Goes Public

[Mr. Lugosi]

Edited by [user="2199"] @ [time="1032919429"]

Disk2 is right.



Im was being totally retarted and was thinking that ogc and joolz were the opengl wallhacks. I edited to remove the wallhack stuff from the news.



Thanks, Disk2.

[xxx_2]

Hate to point it out but OGC 2.5 works fine. Even if the server is running HLGuard it still gives cheaters that crucial 1-2 seconds before someone pops out from behind a box thus letting the cheater take aim before the honest player even sees him/her.



I think the only true way to solidly beat the cheats is to enforce a hard ban, like 2-5 weeks--right after updating the VAC to catch all the current cheats. Scaring people is the only true way...



Of course, how many of us have 2 or more wonids?

[Disk2]

Edited by [user="9714"] @ [time="1032921100"]

xxx_2 wrote..

Hate to point it out but OGC 2.5 works fine. Even if the server is running HLGuard it still gives cheaters that crucial 1-2 seconds before someone pops out from behind a box thus letting the cheater take aim before the honest player even sees him/her.



I think the only true way to solidly beat the cheats is to enforce a hard ban, like 2-5 weeks--right after updating the VAC to catch all the current cheats. Scaring people is the only true way...



Of course, how many of us have 2 or more wonids?

Well I think VALVe's thinking is that no one would be using that version of OGC. Personally I think that unless there is some technical problem related to detecting that particular version, it should be detected by the VAC. But hey, I don't make these decisions. Maybe they consider it unnecessary use of bandwidth...seems worth it to add detection though.



As for the 2-5 week ban, I'm sure it will eventually reach that, probably longer...maybe even lifetime. But until all the kinks are worked out, don't expect a long-term ban. A 24-hour ban is fine for now...It's long enough to be a bit annoying and short enough not to be. And yes, I love to contradict myself. Maybe VALVe could delay announcing the release of the new VAC version 12 hours or so. That way the cheaters would play, get banned, and the rest of us could play in peace. Sure the little kids in myg0t could find out if a new version is out by running HLDS, but CS-Nation has many, many visitors...more than myg0t has. It would take time to spread the word.



And Mr. Lugosi, np bud

[dRage]

Wow, that was a disappointment. You got me all excited about there being no more wallhacking, only to let us know it was an error in your literacy. D=

[Marsellus[CSR]]

I think openGL hacks are separate from the HOOK methods used by OGC. What they need to do the most is 'unhook' the code used to auto aim! If possible...

[[SDSU]David]

After so many years of hearing nothing but people bitching about Valve it's great to see all the work they're doing to upkeep their software. Kudos Valve, you're going above and beyond. (Please keep it up.)

[Disk2]

Marsellus[CSR] wrote..

I think openGL hacks are separate from the HOOK methods used by OGC. What they need to do the most is 'unhook' the code used to auto aim! If possible...

Well it can be a combination of the two. For example, a hacked OpenGL DLL combined with a hook that activates the wallhack and provides auto-aim. They are working on detecting both from what I see...Just look at HLirc as an example :)

[dRage]

And then there are the ASUS drivers...

[rizzuh]

Mr. Lugosi wrote..

Im was being totally retarted and was thinking that ogc and joolz were the opengl wallhacks. I edited to remove the wallhack stuff from the news.

This is the second time you've made this mistake Lugosi! Good job keeping us up to date, but be sure to report just what you know and no assumptions. I'm sure when the wallhack blocker takes effect they'll send out a subtle notice that says, "The wallhack blocker has taken effect." :)



Anyway keep up the good work!

[xep]

Maybe VALVe should stop announcing when they update VAC, then the cheaters would be less likely to know if the cheat they were about to download was VAC proof or not. I'm sure people would figure it out, but it would take more time than simply looking on a website.

[MikeJ]

What the hell is this. If I screwed up it would be like this...



<rizzuh> wtf are you doing miekfag

<rizzuh> get off my internet~



anyway, VAC is awesome and so is Sierra and Valve

[dagz]

[SOSD]Shermanator-X007 wrote..

THATS CRAP MAN! ONLY 24 FREAKING HRS. WHAT THE HECK IS THAT A SLAP ON THE HAND, AND THEN THE NEXT DAY THEY'LL JUST DO IT AGAIN. OH! OOOH!! MY HEADS ABOUT TO POP BECAUSE OF THE STUPEDTY OF WHAT I JUST READ. ALLMOST EVERY SEVER I'VE BEEN ON FOR FOR THE PAST YEAR AND THEN SOME HAS HAD A FREAKING CHEATER ON IT. I STOPED PLAYING CS FOR 2 WEEKS BECAUSE OF THEM. CS WAS NO LONGER FUN FOR ME. TIME AND TIME AGAIN I WAS GETTING FRAGED FROM HAED-SHOTS FROM A FREAKING USP ON THE OFTHER FREAKING SIDE OF THE FREAKING MAP! I'M SO PISSED I'M FOMMING FROM THE MOUTH RIGHT NOW. THEY SOULD BE BANED FOR A YEAR OR MORE AT LEASE, AND YOU PPL KNOW, YOU FREAKING KNOW! THAT THOSE B%$TER'S ARE LAUGHING IN VALVE'S FACE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT'LL ONLY BE A WEEK OR SO BEFORE THEY BRAKE THE CODE. I HOPE, AND I REALY DO FREAKING MEAN THIS, THAT THEY ALL CATCH CHRONIC DIARRHEA FOR A YEAR, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I FEEL WHEN I'M ALLWAYS GETING FRAGED BY THEM FOR AS LOND AS I HAVE!



P.S.

Only a 24HR. band? OH MY FREAKING G... !POP!

This is there 1st time with global ban, i heard they will increase in the future.

[[SOSD]Shermanator-X007]

[Jsunu]

well its a step in the right direction

[[PKM]GenocideS1]

Edited by [user="658"] @ [time="1032935494"]

I personally watched three known cheaters get the "disconnected from a secure server" message ive been trying to keep it cheat free for some time even has the new hl-guard 1.20. but still they persisted to play there. To know there gone for 24 hours give me a warm fuzzy feeling, perhaps now we can have tourneys worth more money and finally the best players will stand out.



PS I also saw when the vac updated and the files being downloaded a feature i like and hope they keep.