CS 1.6 Impressions

[Tarmax]

Shadow-Dragon wrote..

Guys why should you get rid of the AWP? Because it is unfair? Well guess what, war is unfair. Do you think the enemy is gonna get rid of their snipers because they're winning unfairly? Sniping is the best advantage. And most sniper rifles kill in one hit anyway.

But see, here's something to think about:



CS != WAR (unless you're George W. Bush, of course)



CS was meant to mimic reality... not be reality.



{for all the blonds out there: GWB comment in reference to his "War" on Terrorism} :)

[Mr Bond]

Shadow-Dragon wrote..

Guys why should you get rid of the AWP? Because it is unfair? Well guess what, war is unfair. blah blah war is hell

That's all well and good but despite what you may think, CS is not war. It's not even fighting. It's a game -- the sole purpose of which is to provide entertainment. If the AWP detracts from the balance which makes the game more entertaining then nerf it or cut it. Since when do we have some obligation to simulate the unfairness of life in video games?



In my experience, body one shot kills (AWP) really unbalances the game -- taking away from some of the fun. But apparently I owe war the AWP or something.

[0m3g4]

Edited by [user="39962"] @ [time="1040428056"]

I sense a pattern.



First valve said that the 5-7 would be with the gun, and you would have to drop the shield to drop it, and awps would be reduced in damage. Everyone hated it.



Then they said that the shield would FULLY stop ALL rifle fire. Everyone hated it.



Now they are saying that you can get a different gun, but the awp is not effected by the shield at all, going though it like a thin piece of cardboard, and making it about as useful as one. Everyone hates it.



Knowing valve tendencies, they are also likely to make the shield overpriced, destroying any usefulness it might have had before the first 3 rounds. Its just going to turn out to be something that only complete noobs or a small minority use (just like the ump, autos, para, etc.). Except using it wont make you look like a noob when you fire, or they see your gun laying on the ground, they will be able to see it from a mile away. Even if they did manage to make the shield useful against awpers, terrorists cant buy it, so it becomes unbalanced again. Honestly if valve cant get it right then maybe there shouldn't even be a shield.



Shadow-Dragon: War isn't fair!? I didn't know that! Boy am i ever glad that cs isn't war!

[RaptorRage]

Edited by [user="2755"] @ [time="1040428451"]

Interesting twist, check the update. AWP fire blocked by the shield. Now to see if it will indeed be a CT only item. Looks like the shield will be quite a significant change to gameplay after all.



I wonder how many people will be willing to not have a primary weapon in favor of taking the shield instead.



As to the Dual Elites, I read some conjecture on I think the Steam forums that they *might* be removed or replaced. Or will it be possible to have the Elites and still carry the shield?



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[0m3g4]

RaptorRage wrote..

Interesting twist, check the update. AWP fire blocked by the shield. Now to see if it will indeed be a CT only item. This could get interesting...

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to get at here, but when i said that Valve (well not exactly valve as a company, but a member of valve in an interview) had planned to make the shield fully stop rifle fire, its the truth. They also said that the shield would only be available to the cts, when they first came out with it, but that was a while ago and they have changed the shield around many times before.



I think a point that most people that are for the 85 damage to the shield user, from the awp, is that the terrors are not getting this weapon, and it would just unbalance the game team wise. Doing that would fuck the game up on a higher level then the awp ever will.

[Gpig]

Lockhart. Deagle is great on the run from semi-close/medium range area. Play some deagle5 and notice that you don't stop to fire because you don't need to.



I'm not sure, but are people acting like shield blocks all fire while you're firing? RaptorRage seems ot be implying that you're blocking nearly all fire while firing a deagle at them but maybe that's not what he meant at all.

[Gameshot911]

could someone explain to me what idleing is?

[Dangki]

Gameshot911 wrote..

could someone explain to me what idleing is?

Hanging in a IRC channel?

[HITMAN4SALE]

im gonna pwn all u beehatches

[0m3g4]

ok after reading the new news about the shield:



I take it all back valve! You rock, you rule, you own! I LOVE YOU!!!

[Take13|Invader Zim]

well, i have until now refrained from posting any comments here since there's too many of them in the first place, but i do have to speak out now.



explain to me how a gun that can shoot thru walls and APCs not shoot thru a plate of steel. there's only 1 way. if it uses warp plasma routed thru the main deflector. but since counter strike is not star trek, i doubt very much that this is the case.



all the years of whining about how unfair the Arctic Warware Magnum is getting on my nerves and now the magical shield that'll stop a bullet capable of ripping your limbs clean off dead in it's tracks... what a load of bull. i think i'll ban the use of the shield on my servers.



and i still see people jumping off the bridge in de_aztec, but we're not complaining about that realism level, nooooo... we have to whine about the fact that we got killed with a rifle we deem to be 'for n00bs only' cuz we can't use it ourselves.

[horshack]

I don't really care about the AWP and stuff, but what I'm mainly worried about is what about those of us who have very LARGE buy scripts? With the menus being changed around and stuff, we have to change our entire script? And for those of us with complicated ones, we have to change every config file.



They shouldnt change the numbering of the weapons, they should just add some at the end of the menu.

[RaptorRage]

Edited by [user="2755"] @ [time="1040440849"]

I was just referring to the latest news update saying that the shield will block AWP fire. Before it wasn't entirely clear if "all rifle fire" meant just the automatics or if it really meant that the shield blocked all guns in the game, AWP inclusive.



Also if it is CT only for purchase, then I assume that T's can pick up dropped shields, which replace the weapon in the primary slot. But if T's are using Dual Elites, how would they carry the shield too?



As to how the shield is deployed, I'd assume that you would have to select the shield like a primary weapon and when its then active you peer through the window, and only when you switch to pistol would it move to the side and allow you to fire. The shield would also probably be able to be dropped in order to give to someone else or to pick up a primary weapon.

[Drakmare]

PieWarrior wrote..

The awp has always been too powerful, The Crazy Jumping awpwhores don't help. Make it wbout 2/3 the effectiveness when using the shield and maybe Just so the Jumping awpwhores that bug me so very much can't do the jumping awqpshot, decrease the accuracy while moving.

Ya we all know how effective jumping is in 1.5 ~~~Sarcasm~~~ BTW while in motion, AWP is about as accurate as my rubberband gun.

[lyndonl337]

I think I gonna like galil, it has an accuracy of mp5 and can inflict damage as sg552.