Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

[CptainCrunch]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Crunch. The airport scene as one of the catalyst to war isnt really the part I was objecting. I think it was a really nice touch, very Clancy-esque. Its the fact that Russian people revered a terrorist, savage and while being so- not a Russian. In comparison, its like Americans would elect Hugo Chavez to be their president. Its not treading on sterotypes, its taking the worst of the stereotypes, dumbing them down and throwing into a disjointed mix. If they really wanted to go Clancy on the storyline, they should have asked him to do the writing.

OK, I think I better understand your point on that now.

My take on the Russians supporting the terrorists, and this is going back to CoD:4 also, is that all this terrorist stuff is happening underground and out of the minds of the Russians. In CoD:4 its even covered up at the end and no one knows anything about it. The middle east war had nothing to do with Russia and everyone involved was killed in the nuclear blast. I viewed the Ultranationalists taking power as the Russian people not even knowing what was going on with that and getting swept up in the propeganda of their leaders, much like the US side in both games.

I am going to reread all this and play the first few levels again and see if I see it differently. I agree that this is very Clancy, but I still dont see why the Russian Government needs to ban it in real life. In CoD:4 Americans looked like they were doing what we do best and thats run into situations and level everything before knowing whats really going on and I did not see that as an issue. When the Russians invaded in MW2 I just thought that given the information they have, they felt in the right to do so and were kinda doing what the US did in CoD:4.

Maybe I am missing the point still. Just keep commenting and I will eventually get it

Crunch

I doubt the russians would start WWIII because one former US soldier took part in a terrorist action.
And the whole invasion is stupid beyond belief. Airborne invasion of a country the size of the US? Which btw. still has a pretty large fleet that would soon retaliate on the attacker.

I agree, thats a huge hole in the story, not to mention the other bases we have in other parts of the world not reacting to this or our allies that have not been touched yet. Its very complicated. In a game perspective, the entire thing has to be dumbed down to work anyway.

Crunch

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Thats the beauty and difference between COD4 and COD6. In COD4, there was a very clear line between Russian ultranationalists and the regular people. There were covert ops in Russia and in the end it was all covered up. Now the whole nation is painted with a broad brush as they are electing statues to Osama Bin Laden of the US. Its not even done with a taste, its "Russkies are stupid, violent and savage".

They are basically using Russian devotion to Zakhaev and Makarov (!!!) to patch a plothole. All the CIA op had to do was to execute Makarov, and cover the whole thing up yet again. But no. Russians love their terrorists so they didnt want to give them another martyr.

Its absolutely horrible writing like this that makes me appreciate fantastic stories like MGS3.
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[EDIT] And to the point: Its also why, even though it being fiction, Russian government just chose to ban the game using the airport scene as an excuse. At least thats my theory. Because if tables were turned, the US community would be up in arms. Notice how the "airport scene controversy" died down when we found out that it wasnt an American airport?

Crunch, I reported you for doubleposting. Twice. (kidding )

[CptainCrunch]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Thats the beauty and difference between COD4 and COD6. In COD4, there was a very clear line between Russian ultranationalists and the regular people. There were covert ops in Russia and in the end it was all covered up. Now the whole nation is painted with a broad brush as they are electing statues to Osama Bin Laden of the US. Its not even done with a taste, its "Russkies are stupid, violent and savage".

They are basically using Russian devotion to Zakhaev and Makarov (!!!) to patch a plothole. All the CIA op had to do was to execute Makarov, and cover the whole thing up yet again. But no. Russians love their terrorists so they didnt want to give them another martyr.

Its absolutely horrible writing like this that makes me appreciate fantastic stories like MGS3.
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[EDIT] And to the point: Its also why, even though it being fiction, Russian government just chose to ban the game using the airport scene as an excuse. At least thats my theory. Because if tables were turned, the US community would be up in arms. Notice how the "airport scene controversy" died down when we found out that it wasnt an American airport?

Crunch, I reported you for doubleposting. Twice. (kidding )

OK, that makes a lot more sense. I see the difference now and with the mentality of many, I can see people saying stupid things like all Russians being terrorist lovers and so on.

I can understand the airport thing as well. If it was a US based airport I personally would not have been offended by that, but I could see everyone screaming and complaining about it.

I dont know what the deal is with the double posting. I dont know if me being a staffer makes the automerge not work or if it is just broke. I took it for granted and now I just have to be careful I fixed it.

Crunch

[MarineNugem]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Just because you guys don't understand the storyline this is not a reason to it be a REALLY BAD storyline like was said...

If you don't understand it, and is asking things like WHY WE DONT KILL MAKAROV etc, then READ THIS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_warfare_2

and THIS:

http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Shepherd

[M0ldyM!LK]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

We understand it perfectly.

We also understand that it sucks golf balls through garden hoses, and consists of shoddy cliche writing that could have been devised by a 4th grader.

[groundedzero]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

We understand it perfectly.

We also understand that it sucks golf balls through garden hoses, and consists of shoddy cliche writing that could have been devised by a 4th grader.

OK, now you're just insulting 4th graders! :laugh:

[Vreki]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Just because you guys don't understand the storyline this is not a reason to it be a REALLY BAD storyline like was said...

I have no trouble understanding it, its just not believable or immersive.

[Minmaster]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

something tells me this game is gonna fetch a lot of money... black market.

[RangerXML]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Great, I'm German, should I take offense to all those WWII movies and games filled with not just killing Germans, but filled with racial slurs against Germans. Considering how many times I've played a young heroic Russkis soldier killing Grauts, I think I can live with a game where I play a Yank/Brit killing Russkis.

[Dr Random]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Thats Krauts, not Grauts.

:p

[RangerXML]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Thats Krauts, not Grauts.

:p

G and K, one of my greatest weaknesses in the English language, at least I spelled Russki, right komrade:p

[Basil_Moulds]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Ok I'm typing this off my moto droid so minf my grammer. Maybe the russians are sick of allways being the bad guy, I've still have yet to play a game where we play someone who is fighting against america like the russians allways are. It was even alittle weird at the end when we had to kill all the american troops. Btw cod4s sp was so much better this one just felt like I've played it before.... there's my .02 cents. Btw if anyone wants to play mp add me up on steam same steam id as my name on here .

[DHoff]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Bad storyline though, really, really bad.

I agree.

[=MNKY=Frosty]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

I doubt the russians would start WWIII because one former US soldier took part in a terrorist action.
And the whole invasion is stupid beyond belief. Airborne invasion of a country the size of the US? Which btw. still has a pretty large fleet that would soon retaliate on the attacker.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Russia go to war with America because the Russian Terrorists impersonated Americans doing the Terrorist attack. As if to say, they pretended to be american to get the Russian's angry with America.

I could be completely wrong here though lol

[Vreki]

Re: Russia Bans Modern Warfare 2

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Russia go to war with America because the Russian Terrorists impersonated Americans doing the Terrorist attack. As if to say, they pretended to be american to get the Russian's angry with America.

I could be completely wrong here though lol

Thats a reasonable interpretation, with "No Russian" etc..
But even if they believed the terroist to be american, that does not mean that it was an act by the US goverment.

Now there are two points to that part of the story:
1) As I said before, what we are seing here is WWIII. If the russians succeded, then the US subs would nuke them until the glow could be seen from Mars. Thats pure suicide, not even North Korea would do something that stupid. There are other ways to get even.

2) There is no way any nation could launch an airborne surprise attack againt the US. We are talking a gigantic airfleet just to move the troops and armour, and then there is the whole supplyline thing. And that goes both ways, remember how long it took the coalation to build up for the Iraq invasion? Even the collected airforces of NATO cant move an entire army by Air.
Sure the russians can drop a large number of paratroopers that can slaugter the civilians. But they will be hunted down to the last man with no way of retreat, and after that we are talking full scale WWIII.